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ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Gigabit Router Preview (Final Retail Revision)

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by eahm, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

  2. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    In the last page you can see this line: Jan 1 00:00:07 kernel: net/ipv4/netfilter/tomato_ct.c [Dec 8 2011 14:40:31]

    I've never built tomato from the source, is ASUS using a special Tomato build for this router?

    It's confirmed that it's using two Broacom chipset.
     
  3. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    That's very curious because tomato_ct.c is indeed a file used in Tomato and bears Jon Zarate's name as author. But it's from the src (k2.4) and not the src-rt (k2.6) version sub-directory. Odd. Still only 32K nvram :(

    EDIT - had another look - there are many, many things here that are from Tomato, lot of things to goggle over and think about.

    Tomato from the 3rd party modders should ALL support this router already.

    For what it's worth, a forum thread has started up here:

    http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=6446
     
  4. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Thanks for precising, let's see how it goes but I think the E4200v1 will still be my favorite/best router.
     
  5. though

    though Network Guru Member

    can't wait for toastman to get his hands on this!
     
  6. dkirk

    dkirk Network Guru Member

    What is the function of the "Hotrod" connection they mention? Some sort of a serial port?
     
  7. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    SPANSION 256MB 3V Flash Memory
     
  8. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

  9. clarknova

    clarknova Networkin' Nut Member

    Sorry to be dense, but to which builds does that commit correspond? In other words, which build(s) could I download today that would run on the RT-N66U? That commit was made by Fedor, which corresponds to TomatoUSB if I'm not mistaken, but that model still doesn't appear on the HCL list on tomatousb.org.
     
  10. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

  11. clarknova

    clarknova Networkin' Nut Member

    Thank you for the link. Unfortunately I don't have this router yet, and some searching since I last posted seems to indicate that it's not available in North America.

    Is it me or is ASUS conspicuously absent from the dual-band market in NA at present? I'm trying to recommend a Tomato-capable alternative to the WNR4500 for somebody, but all I've come up with so far is the Linksys E4200, and the lack of external antenna is a little disconcerting.
     
  12. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    clarknova, just to clarify, although Teddy Bear didn't release a new version for some time he did post a lot of updates into git, as you have seen. So you can get any benefits (or disadvantages) of them only by using other modders builds. Almost all of those recent commits are in my builds except for the change in wireless driver - I did revert the RT 5.10.142.0 driver to 5.10.147.0, as the updated one caused people problems.

    In theory the RT-N66U is supported but I don't recall anyone trying it yet. On account of nobody having got his hands on one, I suppose.
     
  13. clarknova

    clarknova Networkin' Nut Member

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I use and deploy ASUS + Tomato almost exclusively these days, so it's a disappointing when the high-end stuff (RT-N66U) and value stuff (RT-N10U) are not to be found at any of the usual etailers. Still, most folks can get by without USB and the RT-N12 B1 is fast becoming my new workhorse.
     
  14. maurer

    maurer LI Guru Member

    here in Romania rt-N10U is in full availability ~40$
    can't wait for RT-N66U - i think it will be more than 250 $ at launch
     
  15. RonV

    RonV Network Guru Member

    I agree the sweet spot for price and performance looks like the Asus RT-N12. If I could find find them in stock like Newegg I would start using them for replacements for the Buffalo's I have in the field.

     
  16. clarknova

    clarknova Networkin' Nut Member

  17. FlashSWT

    FlashSWT LI Guru Member

  18. fubdap

    fubdap Addicted to LI Member

  19. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Kinda pricey at this juncture....
     
  20. FlashSWT

    FlashSWT LI Guru Member

  21. xtacydima

    xtacydima LI Guru Member

    I thought we were promised 1GB RAM
    And what's with the SD-slot, can it be used to expand the flash space?
    interesting....

    specs list as follows on Newegg, unless its wrong
    RAM: 256 MB DDR2
    Flash: 32 MB Flash + Micro SD slot
     
  22. ntest7

    ntest7 Network Guru Member

    surely the SD slot is for mountable storage, used like a USB drive.
     
  23. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Someone few months ago confirmed the real MB is 256 and not 1024 as shown in this photo: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/files/asus_rt_n66u_194.jpg
     
  24. xtacydima

    xtacydima LI Guru Member

    Well that stinks, it's hardly an upgrade now imo from my 16n, the 1GB RAM would have been a good reason, perhaps for those crying for A mode otherwise it's really not worth bang for buck.
     
  25. fubdap

    fubdap Addicted to LI Member

  26. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Let's wait for the SNB WiFi test but I still think the E3000 is even better, making the E4200v1 the best router you can buy today (and it's only $99.99 from here: http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Ro...-router_stcVVproductId133604734VVviewprod.htm).

    Again...I'll wait for the test :)
     
  27. though

    though Network Guru Member

    a lot of us need external antenna capability so that is why we are eagerly anticipating the RT-N66 :)
     
  28. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Ext. antenna is a good point. But I can't get very excited over this router. Extra RAM isn't so useful as we generally don't use what we have already in the RT-N16 etc. Speed isn't much of an increase. NVRAM is still restricted to 32K. Bigger Flash - not very interesting now that we have USB thumb drives. And the price is excessive. Now, when is someone going to make something that will really cope with todays 100Mbps speeds without smoke and mirrors?
     
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  29. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    This is the reason why I will keep the E4200v1 for myself and keep selling the E3000 to customers until a good 802.11ac will be ready and Tomato compatible.
     
  30. FlashSWT

    FlashSWT LI Guru Member

    Probably a stupid question, please forgive me:

    Is there not a way to use a USB thumb drive to help alleviate the problem created by the lack of NVRAM? Maybe not for core functions like wireless networks and keys, but maybe to store settings for the VPN server, Optware, etc.?
     
  31. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    Tomato works on RT-N66U - confirmed
    source: http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-423607/asus-rt-n66u-the-new-king - page 4
     
  32. though

    though Network Guru Member

    hey toastman-

    which 5GHZ router that is currently on the market do you recommend that supports external removeable antennas? toastman tomato support is a must as well :)
     
  33. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Well, what actual choices are there?

    1) RT-N66U
    2)
    3)

    Anyone?
     
  34. though

    though Network Guru Member

    will your tomato work on the RT-N66U now? or will we have to wait a while? how about for just 5ghz or both 2.4ghz and 5ghz at the same time?
     
  35. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    It uses the wireless "N" driver so one would assume it is supported on both bands.

    So, everyone's currently waiting for further tests from the guy above who has one, and the smallnetbuilder guys maybe. Looks as if it works, but with somewhat underwhelming results so far. But - let's see what else comes in ;)
     
  36. though

    though Network Guru Member

  37. maurer

    maurer LI Guru Member

  38. ladysman

    ladysman LI Guru Member

  39. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    should works.
     
  40. ladysman

    ladysman LI Guru Member

  41. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Seems unlikely, if it works on other routers it should work on this one. However, I notice the poster says "at least is does not do what I want to do". My guess is that there's nothing at all wrong with it.

    Possibly the poster has misconfigured it, that would not be an uncommon occurrence.
     
  42. though

    though Network Guru Member

    can anybody confirm that the 5ghz band actually works on the external antennas and not an internal antenna? if you remove the 3 antennas does the 5ghz signal go to hell or stay the same???
     
  43. Gaius

    Gaius Networkin' Nut Member

    I think N wireless has kinda passed its time as a good purchase for that price. I'd wait for 802.11ac to come to all current client devices before buying another wireless router.
     
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  44. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Agree 100%, E4200v1 (I may try the N66U for a quick test, I don't know yet) will be my last N router.
     
  45. phila

    phila Networkin' Nut Member

    I was the original poster on SNB.
    What I was referring to, is after enabling QoS with default settings, I only saw one prio qdisc attached to the WAN interface. Does not look like any of the settings for various classes took hold.
    I never used Tomato before so maybe this is expected, but I wanted to be able to define various traffic classes(for both ingress and egress), limit and prioritize some of them.
     
  46. phila

    phila Networkin' Nut Member

    After messing around with it, the issue seems to be NVRAM running low. After installing the Ext build I had like 8bytes free in NVRAM with no settings configured. Using the Std build I have ~11k free after all the settings.
    QoS classes are now looking much better. Thanks Toasman, I really like graphs associated with QoS UI, very nice.
     
  47. darksamus

    darksamus Networkin' Nut Member

    Hey Toastman. I am currently using your tomato-K26USB-1.28.0494.2MIPSR2-Toastman-VLAN-RT-N-VPN on my Asus RT-N66U and it works. Would it be possible for you to update the new code to include cpu speed of 600mhz for this hardware?
     
  48. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    darksamus - Good point ... !

    phila -

    Is something still wrong?
     
  49. darksamus

    darksamus Networkin' Nut Member

    i forgot to mention on the main page the data rate is showing 13.5mbps on 5ghz' i know my speed is alot faster..can it be fix to show 450mbps?
     
  50. ntamas26

    ntamas26 Networkin' Nut Member

    I would be interested about the Samba/FTP + USB hdd speed of this router with Tomato firmware.

    I really like my RT-N16+Tomato but the Samba speed is just slow (6-7mbyte/sec). Broadcom should really need to improve that area, as Atheros based routers has much better transfer speeds.
     
  51. phila

    phila Networkin' Nut Member

    My bad, meant to say "now looking much better"
     
  52. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Ah, OK!
     
  53. FlashSWT

    FlashSWT LI Guru Member

    Anything new to report on the N66U? Anybody else gotten one yet? Those with them, any problems or are they still running good?
     
  54. darksamus

    darksamus Networkin' Nut Member

    I have mine running Shibby's FW for 10 days. No proablems at all. BTW does anyone know if there is SPI firewall enable on Tomato FW? I do not see an option. The stock firmware has it.
     
  55. Jacques

    Jacques Addicted to LI Member

  56. FlashSWT

    FlashSWT LI Guru Member

    Great timing, thanks for the links Jacques.
     
  57. crashnburn

    crashnburn LI Guru Member

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  59. Monk E. Boy

    Monk E. Boy Network Guru Member

    Keep in mind the WAN to LAN chart only matters if your internet connection is faster than the router can handle. In the case of an RT-N16 they're claiming it can handle about 140Mb, which is a pretty damn fast internet connection. $100/mo top-of-the-line cable connections are, what, 50Mb? Maybe bursting to 100Mb?

    I have a completely stripped down RT-N16 w/o any kind of firewall or really anything besides one NAT network for the LAN/WLAN and a different NAT network on the WAN and it has to route traffic between them, and when I benched the router after setting it up the N16 had no problem maxing the 100Mb uplink to the WAN network. Are you going to have a WAN link faster than 100Mb? If not, then whatever's above that is just pointless.

    You can't shove data out the WAN link faster than the WAN link can handle, no matter whether the router can handle 1.4x the WAN link's speed or 10x the WAN link's speed... lowest common denominator is the fastest speed you're going to get.
     
  60. rhester72

    rhester72 Network Guru Member

    I don't think that's the issue. LAN-to-LAN is still going through iptables and being byte-shifted by the CPU and _cannot_ reach (or even approach) gigabit speeds, despite the link capability. Granted, this is true of all SoHo gear, but in fairness, what the RT-N16 (and N66U) has as primary advantage is RAM, not processing (code or packets) capability.

    Rodney
     
  61. Monk E. Boy

    Monk E. Boy Network Guru Member

    I'll run a test on my RT-N16 and see how fast it can go. I've got a Gb switch attached to it plus a couple Gb clients plugged into the RT-N16, so if the clients on the RT-N16 peak at 140Mb talking to a server on the switch then we'll know. But if LAN traffic is handled within the Atheros Gb chipset, and doesn't require any forwarding/routing, then logically the CPU shouldn't be involved. Unless I'm forgetting something critical about the Atheros.

    If you have multiple VLANs setup and are depending on the RT-N16 to route between them, then yes, it would be limited same as any other forwarding interface, whether WAN or VLAN.
     
  62. Incidentflux

    Incidentflux Addicted to LI Member

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Asus RT-N66U and Asus RT-N16 are probably the most powerful routers around?
     

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