Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by eahm, Dec 18, 2011.
In the last page you can see this line: Jan 1 00:00:07 kernel: net/ipv4/netfilter/tomato_ct.c [Dec 8 2011 14:40:31]
I've never built tomato from the source, is ASUS using a special Tomato build for this router?
It's confirmed that it's using two Broacom chipset.
That's very curious because tomato_ct.c is indeed a file used in Tomato and bears Jon Zarate's name as author. But it's from the src (k2.4) and not the src-rt (k2.6) version sub-directory. Odd. Still only 32K nvram
EDIT - had another look - there are many, many things here that are from Tomato, lot of things to goggle over and think about.
Tomato from the 3rd party modders should ALL support this router already.
For what it's worth, a forum thread has started up here:
Thanks for precising, let's see how it goes but I think the E4200v1 will still be my favorite/best router.
can't wait for toastman to get his hands on this!
What is the function of the "Hotrod" connection they mention? Some sort of a serial port?
SPANSION 256MB 3V Flash Memory
FYI: RT-N66U is supported by tomato from August
Sorry to be dense, but to which builds does that commit correspond? In other words, which build(s) could I download today that would run on the RT-N66U? That commit was made by Fedor, which corresponds to TomatoUSB if I'm not mistaken, but that model still doesn't appear on the HCL list on tomatousb.org.
Install this and let me know
Thank you for the link. Unfortunately I don't have this router yet, and some searching since I last posted seems to indicate that it's not available in North America.
Is it me or is ASUS conspicuously absent from the dual-band market in NA at present? I'm trying to recommend a Tomato-capable alternative to the WNR4500 for somebody, but all I've come up with so far is the Linksys E4200, and the lack of external antenna is a little disconcerting.
clarknova, just to clarify, although Teddy Bear didn't release a new version for some time he did post a lot of updates into git, as you have seen. So you can get any benefits (or disadvantages) of them only by using other modders builds. Almost all of those recent commits are in my builds except for the change in wireless driver - I did revert the RT 18.104.22.168 driver to 22.214.171.124, as the updated one caused people problems.
In theory the RT-N66U is supported but I don't recall anyone trying it yet. On account of nobody having got his hands on one, I suppose.
Thanks for the clarification.
I use and deploy ASUS + Tomato almost exclusively these days, so it's a disappointing when the high-end stuff (RT-N66U) and value stuff (RT-N10U) are not to be found at any of the usual etailers. Still, most folks can get by without USB and the RT-N12 B1 is fast becoming my new workhorse.
here in Romania rt-N10U is in full availability ~40$
can't wait for RT-N66U - i think it will be more than 250 $ at launch
I agree the sweet spot for price and performance looks like the Asus RT-N12. If I could find find them in stock like Newegg I would start using them for replacements for the Buffalo's I have in the field.
I know it says they're special order, but they drop ship these and I usually get mine in less than a week (which is good considering the in-stock items take 3 business days anyway). I've been dealing with ncix for a few years so I know they're one of the best and I'm happy to recommend them.
The RT-N66U is showing up in user's hands now:
I'm really looking forward to one of the more experienced users/developers here getting ahold of one and letting us know how it goes with Tomato.
Anybody have one yet, first thoughts?
For those that are interested, the RT-N66U is available here:
Kinda pricey at this juncture....
More places here, some of them have it in stock right now:
It appears to only be a little more than the E4200...
I thought we were promised 1GB RAM
And what's with the SD-slot, can it be used to expand the flash space?
specs list as follows on Newegg, unless its wrong
RAM: 256 MB DDR2
Flash: 32 MB Flash + Micro SD slot
surely the SD slot is for mountable storage, used like a USB drive.
Someone few months ago confirmed the real MB is 256 and not 1024 as shown in this photo: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/files/asus_rt_n66u_194.jpg
Well that stinks, it's hardly an upgrade now imo from my 16n, the 1GB RAM would have been a good reason, perhaps for those crying for A mode otherwise it's really not worth bang for buck.
Not looking good for the N66U stock firmware:
Let's wait for the SNB WiFi test but I still think the E3000 is even better, making the E4200v1 the best router you can buy today (and it's only $99.99 from here: http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Ro...-router_stcVVproductId133604734VVviewprod.htm).
Again...I'll wait for the test
a lot of us need external antenna capability so that is why we are eagerly anticipating the RT-N66
Ext. antenna is a good point. But I can't get very excited over this router. Extra RAM isn't so useful as we generally don't use what we have already in the RT-N16 etc. Speed isn't much of an increase. NVRAM is still restricted to 32K. Bigger Flash - not very interesting now that we have USB thumb drives. And the price is excessive. Now, when is someone going to make something that will really cope with todays 100Mbps speeds without smoke and mirrors?
This is the reason why I will keep the E4200v1 for myself and keep selling the E3000 to customers until a good 802.11ac will be ready and Tomato compatible.
Probably a stupid question, please forgive me:
Is there not a way to use a USB thumb drive to help alleviate the problem created by the lack of NVRAM? Maybe not for core functions like wireless networks and keys, but maybe to store settings for the VPN server, Optware, etc.?
Tomato works on RT-N66U - confirmed
source: http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-423607/asus-rt-n66u-the-new-king - page 4
which 5GHZ router that is currently on the market do you recommend that supports external removeable antennas? toastman tomato support is a must as well
Well, what actual choices are there?
will your tomato work on the RT-N66U now? or will we have to wait a while? how about for just 5ghz or both 2.4ghz and 5ghz at the same time?
It uses the wireless "N" driver so one would assume it is supported on both bands.
So, everyone's currently waiting for further tests from the guy above who has one, and the smallnetbuilder guys maybe. Looks as if it works, but with somewhat underwhelming results so far. But - let's see what else comes in
if i get this router, which version do you suggest i try on it?
nope. you need an RT-N build like tomato-K26USB-1.28.2494MIPSR2-Toastman-VLAN-RT-N-V PN.trx
you can also try shibby's build with reported success h ere - http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-423607/asus-rt-n66u-the-new-king#post-1350209
Does 5ghz work with Tomato builds? If it does, i'll order one. I know all the talk with the 32k NVRAM is a concern. I could live without my VPN in return for 5ghz.
I haven't tested but wanted you aware.
They are saying the QoS is broken. I find it hard to believe but wanted you guys aware.
Seems unlikely, if it works on other routers it should work on this one. However, I notice the poster says "at least is does not do what I want to do". My guess is that there's nothing at all wrong with it.
Possibly the poster has misconfigured it, that would not be an uncommon occurrence.
can anybody confirm that the 5ghz band actually works on the external antennas and not an internal antenna? if you remove the 3 antennas does the 5ghz signal go to hell or stay the same???
I think N wireless has kinda passed its time as a good purchase for that price. I'd wait for 802.11ac to come to all current client devices before buying another wireless router.
Agree 100%, E4200v1 (I may try the N66U for a quick test, I don't know yet) will be my last N router.
I was the original poster on SNB.
What I was referring to, is after enabling QoS with default settings, I only saw one prio qdisc attached to the WAN interface. Does not look like any of the settings for various classes took hold.
I never used Tomato before so maybe this is expected, but I wanted to be able to define various traffic classes(for both ingress and egress), limit and prioritize some of them.
After messing around with it, the issue seems to be NVRAM running low. After installing the Ext build I had like 8bytes free in NVRAM with no settings configured. Using the Std build I have ~11k free after all the settings.
QoS classes are now looking much better. Thanks Toasman, I really like graphs associated with QoS UI, very nice.
Hey Toastman. I am currently using your tomato-K26USB-1.28.0494.2MIPSR2-Toastman-VLAN-RT-N-VPN on my Asus RT-N66U and it works. Would it be possible for you to update the new code to include cpu speed of 600mhz for this hardware?
darksamus - Good point ... !
Is something still wrong?
i forgot to mention on the main page the data rate is showing 13.5mbps on 5ghz' i know my speed is alot faster..can it be fix to show 450mbps?
I would be interested about the Samba/FTP + USB hdd speed of this router with Tomato firmware.
I really like my RT-N16+Tomato but the Samba speed is just slow (6-7mbyte/sec). Broadcom should really need to improve that area, as Atheros based routers has much better transfer speeds.
My bad, meant to say "now looking much better"
Anything new to report on the N66U? Anybody else gotten one yet? Those with them, any problems or are they still running good?
I have mine running Shibby's FW for 10 days. No proablems at all. BTW does anyone know if there is SPI firewall enable on Tomato FW? I do not see an option. The stock firmware has it.
Great timing, thanks for the links Jacques.
Looking at the WAN to LAN chart it seems Asus RT-N16 is way way slow.. Even as compared to the Engenius router on there. I am wondering if those results were with the Stock Firmware and Tomato would be better performance Output on the RT-N16
Keep in mind the WAN to LAN chart only matters if your internet connection is faster than the router can handle. In the case of an RT-N16 they're claiming it can handle about 140Mb, which is a pretty damn fast internet connection. $100/mo top-of-the-line cable connections are, what, 50Mb? Maybe bursting to 100Mb?
I have a completely stripped down RT-N16 w/o any kind of firewall or really anything besides one NAT network for the LAN/WLAN and a different NAT network on the WAN and it has to route traffic between them, and when I benched the router after setting it up the N16 had no problem maxing the 100Mb uplink to the WAN network. Are you going to have a WAN link faster than 100Mb? If not, then whatever's above that is just pointless.
You can't shove data out the WAN link faster than the WAN link can handle, no matter whether the router can handle 1.4x the WAN link's speed or 10x the WAN link's speed... lowest common denominator is the fastest speed you're going to get.
I don't think that's the issue. LAN-to-LAN is still going through iptables and being byte-shifted by the CPU and _cannot_ reach (or even approach) gigabit speeds, despite the link capability. Granted, this is true of all SoHo gear, but in fairness, what the RT-N16 (and N66U) has as primary advantage is RAM, not processing (code or packets) capability.
I'll run a test on my RT-N16 and see how fast it can go. I've got a Gb switch attached to it plus a couple Gb clients plugged into the RT-N16, so if the clients on the RT-N16 peak at 140Mb talking to a server on the switch then we'll know. But if LAN traffic is handled within the Atheros Gb chipset, and doesn't require any forwarding/routing, then logically the CPU shouldn't be involved. Unless I'm forgetting something critical about the Atheros.
If you have multiple VLANs setup and are depending on the RT-N16 to route between them, then yes, it would be limited same as any other forwarding interface, whether WAN or VLAN.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Asus RT-N66U and Asus RT-N16 are probably the most powerful routers around?