Best Router Supporting The Official Tomato For Around $50.

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by mrralan, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    In case I need to buy a new router, which one currently available for around $50 is a good choice and runs the official Tomato?
  2. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

  3. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    I would prefer to get Asus myself. How is their stock firmware in case I want to try that first?
  4. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

    I have had an RT-N16 for about two years now and at first the firmware was horrible but after a few releases it got alot more stable but not as stable as Tomato. The QOS system in the stock is not that bad though and does perform at least as well as the Tomato QOS in my opinion. I just find Asus almost impossible to brick and rock solid. With this router being out a while I am sure the firmware is pretty stable.
  5. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

    I just checked and this router also supports DD-WRT and Oleg firmware so you have alot of choices.
  6. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

  7. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    That's an incredibly underpowered router by todays standards, unless there is a new version it's only 4MB flash, 16MB RAM, single band..

    A good economy router right now is the Belkin F7D8301/F7D4301. Dual Band, 64MB Ram, 8MB Flash, Gigabit Ethernet. Usually can be had for around $40, sometimes less.
  8. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

    Good find.
  9. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    I thought the Belkin routers were garbage from reviews I read....but I don't have 1st hand experience. Do you have one of these? What Asus model would be the next model up with more RAM and Flash?
  10. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

    Personally I don't like Belkin routers but jerrm is right the Asus WL-520GU is pretty basic I guess it depends on your needs. If you need dual band and N support. But I think Buffalo would be my second choice other than Belkin.
    Here is one that supports N speeds and Gigabyte LAN for $54.99 from Newegg. Not Dual Band though. I know it supports DD-WRT but I can't vouch for Tomato support.
  11. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    I am going to try a different Asus with 64mb ram and 8mb flash somewhere near my price range if possible. I'm on their site now but I can't find those specs.
  12. zorkmta

    zorkmta Network Guru Member

    Netgear has wnr3500l, and it's good choice pre-owned.

    Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 usando Tapatalk 2
  13. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

    For Asus this is probably your best bet for $50.00.

    No Gigabyte LAN though but if you use wireless this is dual band. Memory is 8 MB flash and 32MB/64MB RAM

    However the 5Ghz band may not work with Tomato (I know it does not work with Shibby's build) and that may be a problem with other dual band routers and Tomato.

    I would save up and get the Asus RT-N16 not dual band but a damn good router and only $30.00 more.
  14. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

  15. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    Belkin's firmware leaves a lot to be desired. Luckily if we're using Tomato that doesn't matter. Like all Tomato hardware, it's all Broadcom chips, so there isn't really any performance difference from one Broadcom 480mhz SoC to another. I have no less than a dozen of these units in the wild and they are rock solid.

    For wireless, they aren't quite as good as an RTN-16s, but considering the 2.4ghz only version can be had for $20-$25, it is a very good unit. For wireless, the question is really what type of area are you trying to cover?

    Biggest gripes with them are internal antennas, the vertical only form factor with no way to wall mount, and the fact they only have a single amber/green LED.
  16. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    That's Atheros based - won't run Tomato.
  17. Inkrypted

    Inkrypted Serious Server Member

    Kinda why I added the line " I know it supports DD-WRT but I can't vouch for Tomato support." But thanks for the input.
  18. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    Personally I would spend a bit more, and get a more long-term solution. Anything in the 50$ range will hold you back 2-3 years from now. Look for something like an RT-N16, they should be coming down in pricing these days due to the number of higher end routers Asus has since released (and one more to come in 2-3 months from now). You might be able to find one at a discount somewhere.

    On the feature list I would look for:

    1) Gigabit ports (unless you are almost exclusively wifi and don't intend to ever have a NAS or any other kind of file server)
    2) 64-128 MB RAM
    3) 8-16 MB Flash
    3) Something fast enough to handle 50-75 Mbits when running Tomato (keep in mind that Tomato has no HW acceleration, so you will be castrating your router's maximum WAN speed with it)
    4) A brand with a good reputation. Sure, you can get a cheap TP-Link or Belkin. But you might be facing coverage and stability issues with them.

    A quality router can last you 5-7 years if you are an average user. That makes it worth spending a bit more IMHO.
  19. ceckin

    ceckin LI Guru Member

    802.11ac (Gbit Wifi) is finding its way into customer devices and pretty soon it will become the standard. Having said that if you can sit and wait for the moment there might cheap and tomato-supported models coming out pretty soon (Broadcom is one of the first implementing it).
  20. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    So I can run the Official Tomato on the RT-N16 without a hitch?
  21. Marcel Tunks

    Marcel Tunks Networkin' Nut Member

    The N16 is easily one of the most popular models for Tomato users (and devs.) For people who want to use Tomato and don't need 5GHz, it's probably the best price for the stability and performance you're looking for.
  22. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    Thanks for all the suggestions. I just ordered the N16!
  23. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    I wouldn't expect that to happen for a few years. Yes, it's still Broadcom, however it's a totally different architecture. Even the CPU instruction set is different.
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  24. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    Can I use a different subnet for my network with the ASUS firmware? I don't want a 192 network. Can I statically assign DHCP address to devices?
  25. Monk E. Boy

    Monk E. Boy Network Guru Member

    Yes, and yes.

    You are limited to the NAT subnets (192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x, 172.16.x.x-172.31.x.x) but you can configure any of them.

    Personally I find the ASUS interface clunky and the QoS very dumbed down but it does have a lot of features if you muddle through the interface and find them. RMerlin's firmware is a good first step if you want to take a baby step away from OEM, it's a customized version of ASUS's firmware that's less clunky and has more features. At least I think. I haven't peeked at it in the better part of a year.
  26. mrralan

    mrralan Networkin' Nut Member

    I am looking for really easy QoS. I find Tomato's complicated. I want the PSN to have the highest priority. It appears as if it will be easier to do that with ASUS but I still don't know what to put in maximum upload and download and the other fields.
  27. Malitiacurt

    Malitiacurt Networkin' Nut Member

    If PSN is all your concerned about just do limiting by IP/MAC. Give the PS3 the highest priority and max bandwidth, and give all the other devices normal priority and/or close to full bandwidth.
  28. cloneman

    cloneman Addicted to LI Member

    Tomato's QoS is not more complicated. Only his GUIDE is complicated.

    QoS on "regular" tomato doesn't work properly for download. The originally tomato is old and Shibby/Toastman are better.

    Following my short screenshots guide you should be able to setup QoS with a little bit of effort (but you must use Toastman/Shibby, I recommend shibby, but only because I happen to be using it now).

    This involves deleting all the default rules in Toastman and setting up your own simple and very powerful QoS, which works well (unless you have a very fast internet)

    The only reason to choose another firmware is if your internet is very fast (more than 50mbps), in which case a less full-feature firmware MIGHT be faster.

    I recomment the ASUS RTN-66U first, and the linksys e4200v1 second.

    prioritizing playstation is easy. You just need 2 rules: Playstation mac address, Class "high" and everythign else . class "default". Set high to 5% - 90%. Set Default 10% -90% . Done.
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