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Convince me WRV54G Please

Discussion in 'Cisco Small Business Routers and VPN Solutions' started by Rattlehead, Sep 15, 2005.

  1. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    Hi guys.
    Im in the market for a new wireless router, coming from my wired befsr81. Ive been looking around and Im happy to go with linksys as I have never had problems with them(only my stupidity). I was looking at the WRV54G as the vpn and wireless together functionality apealed to me, but I have have come across many reviews that linksys did not create a good product in this machine. Is there any users or EX-users of the wrv54g that can shed some light on situation and tell me what to expect if Im to set this up,at least will I get a good wireless router out of it.Security is another import part as there will be a company behind this router.Thanks for any advice or ideas
  2. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    If you don't need a VPN connection to it from behind a NATed router then it's fine. If you do then look elsewhere ;) You could save yourself a few quid though and go for a WRT54G, these have several third party firmwares which gives you a far greater set of features :)
  3. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    Thanks Taz, what Im looking for is to be able to connect to computers at office,when Im out and about,all PC's inc router will b behind a ISP provided router?
  4. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Like TAZ said, the only shorftall with the WRV54G is that you can't use any other vpn client from behind it because of NAT-T, hence why Linksys created the quickvpn client. If you use the quickvpn client (setup guide is available above in the "sticky" section) you'll have vpn capability without too much difficulty.

    To get around the NAT-T problem, I run a "two router" configuration with an SMCBR18VPN firewall router connected to the internet followed by the WRV54G connected to it via its WAN port. The SMC router ($78 from Newegg.com) doesn't have the NAT-T problem the WRV has; the only downer was that it wasn't wireless so I slapped a spare wireless router onto it to act as an access point so I could control it and all is fine.

    Now, I can use other vpn clients while having the luxury of two different subnets run by each router. I can also use quickvpn without any problems; I just had the SMC give out one ip address to the WRV, and then forwarded ports 443 and 500 and TA-DA!!! quickvpn connects and I see all my drives.

    The two of them work together real well. The SMC is also a vpn router with as many (if not) more impressive features than the WRV54g:


    If I wanted NAT-T, minus another router, I'd probably buy the SMC and attach a linksys WAP54G to it...

  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    Ok I think Im going to go ahead with it and buy,Ive checked out my ISP router and I souldnt have problems. Just one more questions, Product is cheaper to buy in U.S and get it shipped here. Is there any problems with that, what I mean is either different hardware or power supply plug etc?
    Thanks for the help aboves aswell
  6. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Before I left the states to come over here, I called linksys.co.uk and asked if they had a 220v converter and they said yes (cost was 19 pounds). It's actually a 110v/220v converter I can use in the states also (not that I need to because I can just switch back to my 110v adapter). As far as firmware goes, my WRV54G is American bought and runs over here fine because "ethernet is ethernet" wherever you go. Of course, I had to get an ADSL ethernet modem to make it work (no problems there either with the x-modem ce from www.adslnation.com).

    I initially was running 2.36 on my WRV when I got here; I've experimented all the way up to 2.38 but when I bought the 50 client user license, the base firmware version was 2.37 which has the bug in the pptp server where Phase I algorithm doesn't synchronize with Phase II algorithm. That's my "only" gripe, because this one flaw doesn't allow me to make pptp vpn tunnel connections due to not being able to synchronize with the router on the opposite side (hence my buying the 50 user upgrade and the SMC router). Firmware 2.37.13 and 2.38 don't have that problem so you won't be disappointed.

  7. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    Nice one dude,thanks very much,Im sure Ill be back(hopefully not) when the router arrives for more help,should be here wednesday.
  8. Cathylb

    Cathylb Network Guru Member

    I realize that was written a few months ago, but I HAVE to put in my .02.


    I have three of these, all bought together, and I have had nothing but trouble with them since I got them over a year or so ago. They quit all the time for no reason and need constant rebooting. I absolutely despise these devices.

    They are great as WAPs, but don't rely on them as DHCP servers, for VPN access, or anything else. And don't even get me started on LinkSys's tech support - I only wish I had found this forum last year.

    I have ordered the Cisco 1721 routers so I can have reliable equipment and am demoting these 54gs to WAPS.

    I'm not saying all LinkSys stuff is bad - but it is definitely the "poor cousin" of Cisco. Not good for business use; fine for home use is my final opinion.

    I have one sitting next to me right now - one of my sites is down as I try in vain to access the config page. I have hard reset it over and over and probably fried its little brain by now.

  9. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    perfect timing mine just arrived today
    :cry: :eek:

    Ill test it out see how it is, if there is any problems in 1st week Ill send it back straight away. Is there any non official firmware thats available?
  10. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    Heh say what you think :D

    Mines been perfectly stable, don't know if I've been very lucky or you've been very unlucky :unsure: What firmware version are they running?
  11. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    What?!?! WRV54G's aren't any good?? 8O Who would have thought :rofl:

    Well, I "must" put a whole "dollar" in the tin. I've got "no" issues with the WRV54G unit now that I understand how it functions. As common as hardware problems may be, I find it inconceivable for as many people to be having problems with this device unless it's user error or the service provider they connect to with the device; on the rare occasion or two you have the "piece of shizell hardware."

    My WRV54G is "bad to the bone" and I've got it pulling duty with an SMCBR18VPN router and both host vpn sessions all the time. I have "never" had any router death, reboot, are any of this crazy krap other people have experienced :D Lucky? No, I prefer to think more along the lines of having "been in the game" long enough to ask the right questions and look for answers in right places...

    So, how does one have three WRV54G's go bad all at the same time? As Taz stated, what's your firmware, and what is your connection (ADSL, DSL, Cable)...

  12. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    well got it setup, its running smoothly and has even repaired a dslsync problem I was having so Im happy so far, all Ive tested is the wired and port forwarding part, On to the Wireless and soon the VPN, Ill set u know how I get on. BTW firmW v. 2.21
  13. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Alright. Just remember to get of of that 2.21 (ooooh so many firmware bugs) and get on 2.37.13 or higher.



    Whoops! What's this?!?! I'm in the middle of a quickvpn session and I'm downloading 54mbps of information from the distant end WRV54G! How can this be with this crappy unit??? :D
  14. Cathylb

    Cathylb Network Guru Member

    I've been dealing with three of these units for well over a year and I know the difference between user error and hardware problems. These WRV54G's need to be cycled on a weekly basis. And now I have one that is completely inaccessible. I've tried LinkSys's tech support and it is a waste of time.

    I simply do not recommend them for business use. Go ahead and try them at home if you want to mess with it constantly.
  15. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    Seems your having alot of problme with your WRV54G. Mine has been up and runninf now since 22-09-05 and after the initial config it has had 100% uptime (touch wood) the wireless connection is 100% the router functionality is working and Im working on the VPN at the mo, having difficulty as Im in middle of swapping ISP and getitng new modem + Im inside the wrv54g LAN, so need to get outside to test it.
    Im using the 2.37 (EU) version and although the shipped firmware had probs this doesnt.
    Only complaint i have so far is when u need to reboot for config settings it so dam slow compared to my old BEFSR81 v3
  16. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member


    At this time (after a reboot for a primary setting change), my WRV54G has been up and running for 216hrs (nine days) with "zero" issues. I've had "repeated" ftp and vpn users connectiong non-stop. Why I've never suffered from reboots, I can't say, but I've seen a lot of people talking about those problems, among others. Like most folks, I constantly messed with my WRV "in the beginning" when trying to get vpn to work. Now, I "hardly" have to touch it, rarely, if ever...

    All jokes aside, rebooting may have something to do with electromagnetic interference or being in a vicinity where you a large area of metal/metal covering being present my scramble the routers flow of current.

    A perfect example is one user who had a furnace located in a room just above his WRV. It rebooted constantly. This is one particular instance I know of. Check for any large amounts of metal located in the same vicinity just to rule out that possibility.

  17. kspare

    kspare Computer Guy Staff Member Member

    Here's my Dollar for the tin.

    I run a hosting company and we offer remote support and offsite backup services. My router of choice is the wrv54g.

    I no whave almost 25 of these units connecting back to a pix 506.

    I've got routers that have been for longer than 795 hours. They routers so site to site vpns, wireless, firewalling and switching. The only function I don't use on them is client to site vpn. They work VERY well as doc has said, you just have to know how to use them because they AREN"T documented well.

    If you hate your wrv so much....sell it to me :)
  18. kspare

    kspare Computer Guy Staff Member Member

    I just checked all of our routers...the one up the longest has been up for 917 hours. Hardly a piece of junk! That router has been running since it was installed.
  19. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Here!! Here!!

    All celebrate the round table of the WRV54G!!!! :)

  20. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Network Guru Member

    well thanks guys for all ur help mine is working fine althought cant really test its limits till I switch ISP(wish they would hurry up)
  21. kspare

    kspare Computer Guy Staff Member Member

    the key for me was the 2.38 firmware.

    Anyone have any leads on any updates?
  22. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    There's supposedly a 2.38.6 beta out, but I can't move up because I purchased the 50 client user upgrade for quickvpn. In this version, the pptp server still has the algorithm bug in it where phase I and phase II don't synchronize. No biggie; since I run a two router configuration my SMCBR18vpn router handles gateway-to-gateway vpn tunnels :)

  23. kspare

    kspare Computer Guy Staff Member Member

    I would sure like to try it out, I have a few routers on dsl that I have issues with, on cable modems not a single problem....the dsl issue I can't put my finger on but it's been good lately.
  24. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member


    you interested in selling your wrv's? Kspare is also looking for another one, too. I need to open up a wireless hotspot...

  25. kisps

    kisps Network Guru Member

    Yeah, definately stay away from the WRV54G. Since I bought mine near the time when they orginally released it, I didn't see much personal experiences with this router on forums etc. Since then, more people have bought the router and posted their experiences with it (which i find are mainly negative). I respect the fact that this router has worked smoothly for some people, but looking at the limitations of this device, and the high price it carries, I would recommend finding a better product.
  26. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member


    are you looking to sell yours also?


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