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dd-wrt moving to openwrt

Discussion in 'DD-WRT Firmware' started by jagboy, May 3, 2005.


do you like the iead of dd-wrt moving to openwrt source

  1. yes

  2. no

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  3. maybe

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  1. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    dd-wrt is soon moving to openwrt source tree. howmany would like to see this happen?
  2. gotamd

    gotamd Network Guru Member

    To me it depends on if that makes it better or not. If that makes it better, then I'm all for it. But to do it just because of some purist desire to rid the firmware of Sveasoft code no matter whether it's better or not seems to be a mistake since Sveasoft it open-source whether he wants to be or not.

    That said, it does seem like moving toward OpenWRT will improve DD-WRT. I just can't be sure until that actually happens.
  3. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    i think of this will be a good idea. i am pretty sire that dd-wrt will stay the same when it comes to features. but when ever coders or programers come to together to achive a common goal and have a common enemy only good things can result. and plus brainslyer has been alone in making the firmware. now at least this can release some of presure. it would be cool if we could all bind together like hpyerwrt (avenger 2.0) wifibox tinypeap e-wrt freifunk to make one firmware. this would be the best. but back to realitity......yeah i am sure this will be cool for dd-wrt to move to openwrt source.
    brainslyer keep up the work :D
  4. Couledouce

    Couledouce Network Guru Member

    I prefer to leave it up to the developers. If they are happy to work together great things will come of it. If they are not really happy about it and do work together the results will not be great, no matter what we think...
  5. littlewhoo

    littlewhoo Network Guru Member

    Hm, Openwrt is quite stable, modular, has many features and is extensible due to the ipk extensions. But unfortunately regarding usability Openwrt is a pain in the a**. Basically Openwrt is for people, who were born with a tatoo of the tux penguin on their forehead. :)
    So I would only vote for DD-WRT migrating to the Openwrt codebase, if it's going to combine the features, modularity and stability of Openwrt with the usability and the webinterface of Alchemy.
  6. Cyberian75

    Cyberian75 Network Guru Member

    Ditto. :)
  7. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    same here. this would help alot of us out that would like to use openwrt but dont know the commands for the command line.
  8. unikum

    unikum Network Guru Member

    I totaly agree.
  9. TheJoker

    TheJoker Network Guru Member

    same for me.
    Although i'm not afraid of using the cli, its far far easier to work with a web interface.
  10. MilesTEG

    MilesTEG Network Guru Member

    Why not !
    But if you switch to open-WRT, is there the same option ?
    wifi power boodt ?
    dhcpd ?
    reboot scheduled ?
    upnp ?
    reset button ?
    many row for forwarding ?

    and if the wifi works correctly ? transfert rate not bad ?
  11. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    in poenwrtr there is no web gui. everything is command line
  12. MilesTEG

    MilesTEG Network Guru Member

    that all i feared !!!
    So, I don't want DD-WRT move to openWRT if there is no web gui...

    I'm not a powerful user that can deal with a only command line system...

    Please, keep a gui !!!
  13. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    i am sure that dd-wrt will keep the web gui. or elese it will not be used by so many people.

    what i think is that brainslyer might release a advanced firmware that is no web gui and have a regular version with everything and web gui. and then a basic version with the web gui too. but that is what i think
  14. MilesTEG

    MilesTEG Network Guru Member

    I hope you're right ^^
  15. unikum

    unikum Network Guru Member

  16. MilesTEG

    MilesTEG Network Guru Member

    Hello, thanks for the link, I found with google this :

    This is the gui demonstration

    But, I don't think It could be for me, because there are so less option to configure the router...
    Ports Forwarding disappeared
    Triggering too
    Upnp too
    and many option I need, like dhcpd...

    Maybe it is a simple gui interface and all functions I need could be accessed by comand line, but for me , I want it to be in the gui ^^

    Thanks for the link
  17. dellsweig

    dellsweig Network Guru Member

    I think you kiddies are missing the point here..

    As I remember reading, Brainslayer was quoted as saying he was moving the BUILD environment to the openWRT format. This would encompass the Linux 2.4.30 Kernal and hardware drivers. Tools such as a web GUI, of any kind, as well as any other functions or tools should be uneffected.

    The openWRT build environment is not an all ro nothing environment. It allows you a framework to build what you want, built on the openWRT supported Linux kernel - REMEMBER, the WRT54G is a Linux based device, NOT a WEB GUYI based device.

    The web GUI as we know it now of may know it in the future is simply a Linux application.


  18. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member


    will moving from alchemy source to openwrt source make the firmware faster or more stable?
  19. dellsweig

    dellsweig Network Guru Member

    You have to remember, the Linux kernel has NOTHING to do with Alchemy or Hyperwrt or Linksys or DDWRT.

    These development projects have added tools and interfaces (GUI's) to configure the router in useful ways. These tools are simply applications that run in the Linux envrionment. The low level drivers, CPU management, memory management, file system management are all functions of the Linux Kernel.

    Most applications run fine when moved from one build to another unless there are major library changes. Usually, there are compatibility libraries to mitigate this issue.

    The 2.4.30 Kernel in general is better than the 2.4.2 based Kernel which all of the other firmwares use. I would fully expect to see improvement in the system level functions using this code.

    The WRT54G is a wonderful device BECAUSE it runs Linux, NOT because one developer has built a web page to perform a function.

    Dont worry - be happy - drink the kool-aid

    In case youre interested in the kid of things the Linux kernel does, here are the release notes for the 2.4.30 Kernel


    More Linux info:


  20. Ouistyty

    Ouistyty Network Guru Member


    Beafore the last post, I did'nt knew the differnce of thos environnment.

    Thaks to dellsweig

    With this kind of explaination I do agree with the idea that DD-WRT go with openWRT sources.
  21. MilesTEG

    MilesTEG Network Guru Member

    OK, Now I understand better what mean DDWRT move to OpenWRT source tree...

    So we have better quality an better stability in moving to openWRT,
    and the gui is only a package we can install/or it should be transfered ^^

    Ok, thanks ^^
    So, Move to OpenWRT ^^
    Now I can vote ;)

    By the way, I don't understand this terms : "I think you kiddies are missing the point here"
    Should you explain it to me, poor frenchy I am...
  22. zyclone

    zyclone Network Guru Member

    I agree, moving to a real open project, like openwrt will enhance it , and the community will be even bigger, there is already many good works made on this project.

    let's move to the top.

    and this will instantly stop the problem regarding the main firmware we are using atm.

    btw i've heard about a local root security bug on kernel 2.4-series, a local root exploit, is this patched ? in openwrt 2.4.30 kernel project.
  23. BrainSlayer

    BrainSlayer Network Guru Member

    dd-wrt will stay as independend project. but the sourcebase will be shared with openwrt. dd-wrt will still have some unique features, otherwise it wouldnt be dd-wrt anymore
  24. stefor

    stefor Network Guru Member

    What I have heard from openwrt users is that it is really stable but it is a pain to configure.

    So I vote Yes if we keep the user-friendly web interface.

    Is OpenWRT supporting SpeedBooster (I have all my equipements in GS so I would like to take advantage of SpeedBooster) or will DD-Wrt based on OpenWrt source code will support it ?
  25. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    i thnk they do but i have only used openwrt once
  26. luma

    luma Network Guru Member

    I think it will be good to have a web interface for openwrt. It misses.
    Both developpment can be a very great thing to have a "very" powerfull wireless system.

    The ability to use ipk file is a must!


  27. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    same here
  28. unikum

    unikum Network Guru Member

    I´m beginning to love the concept of openWRT. There is also a basic GUI:

    The most disadvantage at the moment is, that the individual packages don´t come with their own interface. Except e.g.: SIPatH. It has it´s own interface reachable under:

    I think it´s impossible to a have only one single interface cause everybody has installed different packages; but if every package would come with it´s own GUI reachable by a unique URL like it wouldn´t be a problem.

    So yes: Switch to openWRT codebase.
  29. __nbd

    __nbd Network Guru Member

    That's about to change. Probably already in the next few days, we'll add a new web interface to our CVS and make it the official OpenWrt web interface (AFAIK interface-wrt is unmaintained and I heard that the code is a mess...).

    The new web interface is modular and we'll add modules for that to the individual packages, so it will be a lot easier to use for users that aren't that comfortable with the command line.
  30. unikum

    unikum Network Guru Member

    You are right; that interface was not updated since October 2004 or so.
    But a new interface sounds great! For linux newies like myself this would be helpfull (although the last days and nights I got a little bit familiar with command line).
  31. zgamer

    zgamer Network Guru Member

    Have any links for it?
  32. __nbd

    __nbd Network Guru Member

    No, it's not available for download yet. As soon as it's merged, I will include it in my OpenWrt prerelease builds.

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