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Donations

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by eahm, Feb 20, 2013.

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How much have you donated yet ($/€/etc)?

  1. <10

    20.7%
  2. 10-50

    61.3%
  3. 50-100

    10.8%
  4. >100

    7.2%
  1. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    I don't know how many of you use Tomato for fun, business or just personal use but have you ever considered donating to the developers?

    I use Tomato at home but I've also set it up on almost all my customers' routers. I ask a lot, too much sometimes. All the developers have another job, a normal life and they develop just for fun.

    Not donating when using Tomato this much like I do is unacceptable.

    Why donating for a free app/software/service? Donating is NOT about money. I don't know if they need money or if they don't. The world unfortunately spins around money and contributing, even a little is the minimum form of appreciation we can give to the developers. Seriously, even $1 is appreciated.

    I will check my budget and try to organize Tomato donations as an automatic step, same as if I am paying for LogMeIn or TeamViewer or some online radio.


    Who should you donate to?

    Jonathan Zarate (original Tomato firmware): http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato (top right of the page, Donate button)

    Teddy_Bear (TomatoUSB): http://tomatousb.org/ (top left of the page, Make a Donation button)

    Toastman (Tomato Toastman): http://toastmanfirmware.yolasite.com/ (bottom of the page, Donate button).

    Victek (Tomato RAF): http://victek.is-a-geek.com/tomatoen.html (middle of the page, Donate button).

    shibby20 (Tomato Shibby): http://tomato.groov.pl/ (middle of the page, right column, Donate button).

    SgtPepperKSU (TomatoVPN mod): http://tomatovpn.keithmoyer.com/ (right column of the page, Donate button)

    slodki (Tomato SDHC mod): http://gemini.net.pl/~slodki/tomato-sdhc.html (how can we donate?)

    Teaman (MultiSSID mod): http://code.google.com/p/tomato-sdhc-vlan/ (how can we donate?)

    RMerlin (asuswrt-merlin): http://asuswrt.lostrealm.ca/ (left column, Donate button)

    WRD - EasyTomato (EasyTomato mod): http://www.easytomato.org/support-easytomato/ (bottom of the page, PayPal Donate button)

    Jacky444 (AdvancedTomato): http://at.prahec.com/donate/

    KyleS (Various ARM commits):
    https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=L5VNLLYSJQXBA&lc=CA&item_name=Tomato-ARM&currency_code=CAD&bn=PP-DonationsBF:btn_donateCC_LG.gif:NonHosted

    Contribute, send something.

    Thank you and a big thank for the developers.
     
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  2. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Just a note: Donations are usually made with Paypal, which used to be convenient and easy. But they have suddenly decided to ban donations as personal transactions to certain countries (seems like an awful lot though) so at the moment some of us are trying to arrange a different method.

    The alternative will probably be, to set up the donations as a normal "purchase", and thus force us to use a drop-down box with suggested donation amounts as "purchases". Then, presumably, it will pass muster as they will no longer be "donations".

    To be honest, I haven't really bothered much with it, because in the last 3 years only about 20-25 people have made donations (thanks) .... that's about 1 person for every 9,000 downloads = 0.01% :D In fact, most of the devs are getting very disillusioned with the constant demands, criticism and almost zero appreciation from these forums. You may have noticed that almost all of the people who used to donate code have thrown in the towel and gone to get on with their lives.

    Meanwhile, those using the firmware commercially are getting rich from selling it. Sad, isn't it?

    I remember discussing this with Teddy bear some time ago and the situation then was much the same. Victek just posted that his donations were similarly negligible. In fact, just a few donations are made every month, out of tens of thousands of combined downloads.

    On behalf of all the modders, to those people who said "thanks" - we really do appreciate it.

    Thanks!


    T
     
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  3. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    While I appreciate the intention, I don't think I really fit on this list. While there is some code getting exchanged between Tomato and Asuswrt-Merlin (in both directions), my project isn't a Tomato fork in itself.

    @Toastman: if you do find a viable alternative to Paypal, please let me know. A fellow homebrew developer recently got his Paypal account terminated without warning, on the basis that apparently, he needed to be a registered non-profit organization to be allowed to receive donations?! His attempts at getting this cleared up with Paypal turned up nothing... At a quick glance it seems the Paypal fineprints have changed over the recent years. If you try to create a new donate button, you no longer have the possibility to specify it's for personal donations (like a plain "tips jar"). Paypal is starting to get out of touch with reality considering the hundreds of thousands of software developers relying on them to receive personal tips for their work...
    .
     
  4. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    RMerlin, of course you do, people can flash routers with your mod and they can use and enjoy different features than the original one. I hear a lot of them like your mod better than Tomato and DD-WRT because the interface is easier to use since it's like the official one.
    I've tested it many times myself and I like it very much, I just like to use Tomato more.

    Toastman, PayPal sucks, I gave up on them and eBay many years ago. I don't know a valid alternative though. Bitcoin and flattr maybe?
     
  5. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

  6. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Thanks for the link, I had no idea about that website. Can a mod edit please?
     
  7. Monk E. Boy

    Monk E. Boy Network Guru Member

    I've tried to donate to Toastman several times but have been denied every time. :(

    But it's a new year so I'll make another attempt!

    I forget how much I gave Teddy and Jonathan back in the day.
     
  8. Mangix

    Mangix Networkin' Nut Member

  9. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

  10. xorglub

    xorglub Addicted to LI Member

    Bitcoin seems to be the latest and greatest for donations these days.
     
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  11. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    RMerlin, it isn't only software people, but hundreds and thousands of other worthy causes too. Over here, I see many people and sanctuaries supporting stray animals, free vets, and community advice centers and free clinics have suddenly been cut off without warning and Paypal, as usual, offer no explanation and do not respond to queries.

    Flatr is not a viable option, it generates a pitifully low level of donations (a dollar or less) which causes us so much hassle to receive, that most people stopped using it. All donations essentially disappear into the pockets of the financial institutions. Bitcoin looks to most of us as rather a con and pretty good at swindling people. Paypal do more or less have a monopoly. I wouldn't mind so much except that everything I ever purchased using Paypal I got shafted, but they don't seem very interested in rectifying that either.

    Can someone please test the dropdown list button now on the website below? I need to know if payments will be accepted. Thanks!!
     
  12. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    That's pretty much my feeling as well :(

    Heck, I wouldn't even mind if Paypal were to take a percentage of received donations. But at least they shouldn't just ignore our situation and treat us like criminals.
    .
    .
     
  13. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Paypal do take about 7% on these transactions - they take commission from donations to charities too, nice of them ...

    For anyone wishing to make donations (via Paypal or anything else) I'd like to point out to everyone that the various financial institutions make several charges for currency conversion, bank transfers, etc. Because of this, small donations (I don't have a figure but perhaps anything less than 5 USD?) don't actually get to the developer concerned, but disappear into the "system".

    Tom - Thanks for testing and the donation! It worked OK :D

    RMerlin, Instead of a donation button, I used a single business payment box with drop down options suggesting individual donation sums. Payments are accepted now.

    There are only 10 selections so only permitting a limited choice.

    I don't like the drop down box much, or the "pay Now" button, but that I did change to display a real "Donate" button which downloads from their own server :p.
     
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  14. asterger

    asterger Network Guru Member

    How about making this a sticky? That way I know where to send the money... assuming I make some money.

    -- asterger
     
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  15. WRD - EasyTomato

    WRD - EasyTomato Networkin' Nut Member

    @Toastman: The donation "sale" button works great. Thanks for all your hard work, the EasyTomato team really appreciates it!

    @eahm: Thanks for pushing this!
     
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  16. koitsu

    koitsu Network Guru Member

    My sentiments mirror that of everyone else -- thanks for the work you've put in, Toastman. Just submit my donation. :)
     
  17. shadowken

    shadowken Networkin' Nut Member

    @Toastman , Thanks for your hard work .
    Just submitted my donation :)
     
  18. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Thanks everyone! The other devs can use this idea too if they are also having problems.
     
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  19. roadkill

    roadkill Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I think it's a blessed initiative, without donations things just can't move forward...
    .
     
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  20. Suva

    Suva Addicted to LI Member

    Contributed little to four (Shibby/Toastman/Zarate/TeddyBear) of the developers as I am grateful to all of them for providing excellent builds with lot of features days after days.

    Additionally requested to some of my friends who are using Tomato firmware on their routers.

    Again thanks to all the developers.
     
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  21. jbcdidgosir

    jbcdidgosir Serious Server Member

    This FW is so good. So I donated 10$ for Tomato original and 10$ for Toastman
     
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  22. Ole Juul

    Ole Juul Serious Server Member

    I just put €10 on Shibby because that's what I use on my main router now. I don't have a lot of money, and now that I realize that Toastman hasn't gotten much, I wish I could give more. However, Toastman, if you're up this way, do drop in for coffee and cake!​
     
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  23. crashnburn

    crashnburn LI Guru Member

    I think a bunch of us would much rather take you out for a coffee, a bite or lunch or a beer :) rather than drop some paltry change paypal.

    PS - Where are these wonderful devs located?
     
  24. koitsu

    koitsu Network Guru Member

    I know Toastman is in Canada somewhere, and shibby is in Poland. :) I'm not sure about Victek.
     
  25. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Jon Zarate = Japan [but has not been heard of for some years now]
    Teddy_Bear = USA [but has discontinued the project]
    Toastman = Thailand
    Victek = Spain (travel for work)
    Shibby = Poland
    Teaman = Brazil [but has discontinued the project]
    RMerlin = Canada
    WRD - EasyTomato = USA
     
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  26. koitsu

    koitsu Network Guru Member

    Hmm, I wonder why I thought Toastman was in Canada... maybe he's a Canadian living in Thailand. Or maybe (more likely) my memory is shot. :)
     
  27. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    I'm in Canada.
     
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  28. crashnburn

    crashnburn LI Guru Member

    All places on my Travel To do :) Brazil or USA might happen sooner/ before.
     
  29. ManiDhillon

    ManiDhillon Serious Server Member

    Just signed up to say thanks to all you modders, great work. I use both Tomato Shibby and Toastman mods and have donated to both.
    PS: Been to Thailand twice this year, if I had known Toastman is from Thailand I surely would have brought him a wine :) .
    I've seen some websites sell routers with preloaded Tomato builds at quite a steep price tag. Shame that people don't support the original devs.
     
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  30. ppsun

    ppsun Networkin' Nut Member

    Once to Zarate, another time to shibby.

    Thanks to everyone (even the forum members) for keeping these router firmwares alive. Here's to not having to learn a new router operating system since 2007, and many more years to come
     
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  31. phykris

    phykris Addicted to LI Member

    I just want to say I've tried to send several e-mails over the years to the e-mail address linked to the paypal account of Zarate. I tried to contact Zarate and offered him money. I donated and asked for a reply. He never replied. It's very well possible his paypal account is accumulating money, but he's not alive anymore.

    Edit : apparently he's still alive. Last update of his dictionary file on 13 july 2013:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/rikaichan-jpen/versions/
     
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  32. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    https://www.flashrouters.com/ ? I think they do, please anyone confirm?
     
  33. mahi2003

    mahi2003 Reformed Router Member

    Donated to RMerlin (28 August), Shibby (28 August), Toastman (3 September) and Victek (3 September) :cool:!

    While I don't use each of their mods, Shibby, Toastman and Victek are doing a great job keeping Tomato alive, improving it and porting it to new routers. Also two thumbs up to RMerlin for helping people on this forum and improving the stock Asuswrt firmware!
     
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  34. PolarFish

    PolarFish Reformed Router Member

    I donated before to Toastman and Shibby. Want to donate to EasyTomato too, but didn't see a donate button. I just have to remember to click on their Amazon referrer link I guess.

    But, that brings up another point which I've been wrestling with.

    In the future, I do intend to support home users by preloading open source software into commercial routers, and providing some sort of support if they need. This is for folks who don't have the patience or inclination to flash their own routers. (much like the flashrouters folks, I guess). Obviously, I will charge $x above the cost of the router, for the time and effort put in, plus some service fee/profit.

    However, if I do make any money off of that, after expenses, I would very much like to donate some percentage to the open-source community here, in addition to a charity. I'm thinking this would be a fair way to show support for the hard work and brilliance and patience of the opensource community.

    Any thoughts from any members here is much appreciated.
     
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  35. ksergey2012

    ksergey2012 Serious Server Member

    Dear Victek, I made a small donation to you for your great work! Thank you!
     
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  36. gawd0wns

    gawd0wns LI Guru Member

    I try and donate whatever I can, every 6 months or so. Keep up the great work!
     
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  37. ilovejedd

    ilovejedd Addicted to LI Member

    Just a thought, why not add somewhere from $2-5 per router to your fee as automatic donation to Tomato devs? :)
     
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  38. PolarFish

    PolarFish Reformed Router Member

    I'd love to do that, and I'm hoping to do something like that. Only issue is, how to divide among the main devs. If I use pure TomatoUSB, I will donate to Toastman... if I have to use EasyTomato for example for some users, then I think I have to do a split between ReliefLabs team and Toastman. Thanks for the suggestions!
     
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  39. Andrew_32

    Andrew_32 Serious Server Member

    With many thanks for the good work, 20 USD to Toastman on 28. 0ct. (5P631716H8025284V)
     
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  40. tinku

    tinku Reformed Router Member

    Just sent 10 USD to Zarate, have been a long time user of his version, havent upgraded since his last version. Hope he is well. Transaction ID: 8L31982130995451F
     
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  41. alfag4

    alfag4 Reformed Router Member

    Dear Victek, I made a donation (€ 25) to you! Good work!
     
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  42. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    HAPPY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY !!!
     
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  43. ChuckSmith

    ChuckSmith Reformed Router Member

    Toastman, Victek: Thank you for your efforts with your versions of Tomato. I have donated to both of your accounts. Running Toastman's firmware on an access point and Victek's on the main router. Both working wonderfully so far.

    Again thanks and best wishes in the New Year.

    Chuck
     
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  44. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    Thank you.. enjoy the source code!.

    Thank you.. and same for you in the New Year!
     
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  45. nmlchin

    nmlchin Reformed Router Member

    Shibby, Toastman, Victek, Teaman, TeddyBear and other contributors to Tomato... Thank You! This firmware is outrageously good. You guys are legends. I just made a small donation... I'll make another small one every time I deploy a Tomato router. Seriously, incredible job guys, happy new year. Thrilled with the firmware.
     
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  46. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    To all who wish to donate something, please remember that the various financial institutions take their own cut of every transaction, there are several fixed charges too, for this reason anything less than perhaps 5 US dollars doesn't actually reach the developer, it gets siphoned off by the go-betweens!

    Thanks to everyone who made a donation to any of the developers, and wish you all a Happy 2014!
     
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  47. gs44

    gs44 Networkin' Nut Member

    A little something for your new year Toastman!! Thanks a ton to you and all that help!!!
     
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  48. asammar

    asammar Network Guru Member

    Victek/Shibby/Toastman,

    Thank you for your amazing work and support. I have made a small contribution to each of you.

    As a side note, does anybody know if donations to Jonathan Zarate and Teddy_Bear do reach them still?
     
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  49. Das_OSi

    Das_OSi Reformed Router Member

    I am a new user of Tomato (have been using dd-wrt before) and Shibby's Mod brought me here,
    so I made a small donation (5DL512725L087970M).
    Your mod is running stable, fast and is updated frequently, thanks for that =)
    I also want to donate a little something to Toastman, but I have to wait until the next month...
    I have read many of your posts, these posts were helpful, were always detailed and showed a lot of knowledge =)
     
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  50. DimBulb

    DimBulb Reformed Router Member

    €100 for Shibby. Rock-freaking-solid since I changed. RT-N66 FTW \o/

    Just some thanks from a newbie. I was initially nervous since I've never used anything but stock firmware and had never flashed a router before. Turned out to be super easy and I've been impressed with the stability and sheer awesomeness of Shibby Tomato. I will try the other firmwares later :)

    Keep it up fellas, and have a beverage of your choice on me.
     
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  51. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    Thank you very much! Thank you all!
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2014
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  52. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Dude, are you kidding? Thank you for always pushing new features.
     
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  53. netbeui

    netbeui Reformed Router Member

    I just donated $25 usd to Jonathan Zarate. (7TL88121NE532194W)

    Thanks for the wonderful firmware!
     
  54. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    I'm trying to figure out the best way to donate in a targeted way for development on the ARM firmware. In another thread was general information to donate to either Shibby or Victek would be a donation to the ARM firmware development. Is that the case? I prefer Toastman's firmware flavor. If I understand the process though Toastman needs the Tomato core to start with and until the Tomato core supports ARM, I have a Netgear R7000, Toastman's won't be available either.

    Is it the case making a generic donation to Victek or Shibby is helping further the ARM firmware development?
     
  55. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    Yes :)
     
  56. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Thanks. On it......

    Had to pick one so I did Shibby for now. There is a video of the Asus 68 with Tomato firmware available on Shibby's website.
     
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  57. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    AdvancedTomato added, awesome project! Thanks Jacky444.
     
  58. oldassgamers

    oldassgamers Connected Client Member

    I will donate to shibby because he made the best version of tomato and it support the latest routers in the market.

    Shibby you ROCK!!!!!!
     
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  59. kamaaina

    kamaaina Serious Server Member

    Thanks to all of you for the great work. Hard to decide but started with Toastman as his posts and versions helped me understand and use QoS in the first place.
     
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  60. Siff

    Siff Serious Server Member

    Thank you! Sent small contributions to Shibby (3W159578X6966420D), Toastman (33611585H70751519) and RMerlin (79N348677M890461N). Thank you!

    I will also donate to to Jonathan Zarate and Teddy_Bear if someone confirms that the donations will reach them.
     
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  61. fefrie

    fefrie Serious Server Member

    I could see a private kickstarter being used to fund development of build for new routers.

    Those are the people who tend to make more demands.
     
  62. zatoom

    zatoom Addicted to LI Member

    keep up the good work shibby20, and thanks for firmware.
     
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  63. Jacky444

    Jacky444 Addicted to LI Member

    Thank you!

    If anyone interested, you can also make Donate button ("item purchase") with input text box where people can still donate any amount simply use code as bellow (commented):
    Code:
    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" id="_xclick" method="post" name="_xclick">
      <input name="cmd" type="hidden" value="_xclick">
      <input name="cbt" type="hidden" value="Back to my site"> <!-- Button after completion -->
      <input name="cancel_return" type="hidden" value="http://advancedtomato.com/?canceled"> <!-- Link if user canceled payment -->
      <input name="return" type="hidden" value="http://advancedtomato.com/?completed"> <!-- Link after purchase completed -->
      <input name="notify_url" type="hidden" value="http://advancedtomato.com/"> <!-- Notification URL (I use to track Donations) -->
      <input name="item_name" type="hidden" value="Tomato Donation"> <!-- Name of Item -->
      <input name="item_number" type="hidden" value="1"> <!-- Donation ID so you know -->
      <input name="custom" type="hidden" value=""> <!-- Custom values (IPN, Paypal Notification) -->
      <input name="currency_code" type="hidden" value="EUR"> <!-- Currency -->
      <input name="business" type="hidden" value="jacky@prahec.com"> <!-- Email of PayPal account (to donate) -->
       
      <input name="amount" type="text" value="15">&euro; <!-- Amount of donation -->
      <button type="submit" name="submit" value="submit">Donate</button>
    </form>
    
    I tested the code it works, you can also style it as you wish. The downside is the button is not encrypted so it can be hacked, but that can also be avoided by encrypting it on server side before sending.
     
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  64. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    @Jacky444 - That's interesting, thank you !
     
  65. Image This

    Image This Reformed Router Member

    Edit: Almost one month no response so I sold the AC66u instead since there seems to be no need for it. NVMD. :)
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2014
  66. The Pro Flasher

    The Pro Flasher Network Newbie Member

    As part of our FlashRouter Donation matching program, many of you developers will notice donations from the FlashRouters team today. Our program to engage customers to give back to those who work on open source firmware has been a great a success and we hope it continues to grow.

    Thanks from the team at FlashRouters for all your hard work. Happy holidays and best wishes for the coming year.

    We will keep the donations coming as long as our program is active.

    - Dave
     
  67. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    Thanks!!
    A new release is boiling to the end of the year ... :)
     
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  68. ierwin

    ierwin Serious Server Member

    1 EUR for Shibby.
     
  69. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Thanks to all Tomato users of any kind! And a big traditional

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

    to you all!
     
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  70. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
     
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  71. mvsgeek

    mvsgeek Addicted to LI Member

    Annual donation sent. Thanks Toastman et al!
     
  72. badchorizo

    badchorizo Network Newbie Member

    I'm sure this is a terribly rude first post. I came here to donate some money to the developers but instead I'm only posting this. The immediate reason for not donating is that I don't like PayPal and haven't used them for years. There is no other way to donate, or it's not obvious. I'm kind of shocked the devs don't accept bitcoin since there is no parasitic transaction cost being paid to a middleman (cough cough paypal), and for anyone who owns bitcoins it is by far the easiest and fastest way to make a payment, especially a small payment I know I'll never try to dispute or seek refund.

    I don't want to sound pedantic, but if you want to actually get paid for your work you can't give away 100% of your work product for free. People do not pay for things unless payment is required in order to get, keep or use said things. People do not pay for things they are given for free. Much of economics is pseudoscientific BS, but this might as well be a law of physics.

    Speaking on behalf of all internet users (don't worry, they authorized me) the relative anonymity of the internet means that I can quite easily use your firmware for months on end without even having the thought cross my mind that I should show my appreciation by donating money. In fact, the better your firmware works, the less I ever think about you or the work you put into my router firmware.

    Stated differently, I am very unlikely to pay you for something I already got for free because, why should I? I am lazy. I don't enjoy paying for anything. Ever. But strangely enough I pay for all kinds of things because, well, I have to. This is just rational economic human behavior and it will never change. Sure, a few ardent supporters will occasionally chip in with voluntary donations, but they are statistical noise and can be ignored. People do not pay for things that are free.

    Therefore, make people pay you if they want to use your firmware. I do not believe there is anything in the GNU Public License that prevents you from charging for it in some fashion, even if you are required to freely provide the source code. Remember, I am lazy. I am not as smart as you. I am not going to compile source code solely to avoid to avoid paying you a reasonable fee for a product I appreciate and literally use constantly.

    Yes, "pirated" copies will be available too, but as long as your fee is reasonable and payment is simple (did I mention I'm lazy?) most people will pay you rather than pirate. We are lazy but not completely devoid of morality.

    Why not make the firmware "do something" after 30, 60 or 90 days that gives people an incentive to donate? That could be anything from it completely stops working to limiting features (no 5ghz wifi, limited number of dhcp clients, nagging splash pages on browser launch, etc.). Yes, these obstacles can and will be easily overcome by editing the source code, but for most people it's even easier to click a button that says "pay $x if you want to continue using this product." Easier on the conscience, too.

    You won't get paid even 1% of the value of your work if you give everything away for free, even if you ask really, really nicely for donations. The actual value of your work is irrelevant to rational human action, particularly rational humans acting over the internet with humans they'll never meet. You have to force the issue.

    PS if you had a donation link with a bitcoin address in your forum signatures that people read every time they search forums for help, I bet you would have gotten a handful more donations. A handful of bitcoins donated in 2011-2013 would be worth.... well, you know.
     
  73. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    I think you misunderstood something: the Tomato devs do not want to be paid. They do this for free, as a hobby. They accept donation simply because there are people who actually do want to give something back, purely voluntarily. Sometimes, this is enough to cover web hosting costs, possibly purchasing development hardware as well.

    The moment you start selling it as a product, people start having MUCH higher expectation from you, both in terms of new development and giving technical support. Things which are impossible for any of us to ensure, as we have a full-time job aside from our respective projects.

    ...it would be worth a fraction of what it used to be. Bitcoin value went from a high of above 1000$ to a current value of slightly over 200$. So no, nobody is getting rich off Bitcoins, unless they already sold them during its peak time. But anyway this isn't the point.
     
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  74. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    @badchorizo - I wonder if anyone has ever actually taken the trouble to think about why the large number of valuable contributors to Tomato (and other projects) threw in the towel and left. You did notice that, didn't you?

    ??

    And no, it was not about money...

    By the way, nobody likes Paypal much, so if you don't like to use it, then simply don't donate anything, it is your right. Stop shoving Bitcoin crap down our throats. They are basically worthless and all around us bitcoin dealers are going bust and being investigated for fraud.
     
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  75. MtTime

    MtTime Connected Client Member

    I have donated to the developers that I download builds of, but I realized I have never reached out and thanked the community! You guys are amazing, do awesome work, push hardware to it's limitations, all the while it being a thankless job. I won't pretend to imagine the amount of personal time and effort each one of you have made to your respective projects... and personal sacrifices (if you're working on a new build, you can't possibly be taking your wife out to dinner)!

    Thank you Shibby, Toastman, Victek, RMerlin, Teaman, Teddy Bear, Jonathan Zarate and the countless other developers that have committed their time, energy and passion to making Tomato the best firmware available!
     
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  76. WarL0k

    WarL0k Network Newbie Member

    I donated today to the Tomato Project. I have used Shibby's on the Black Knight and now I am using the Night Hawk N7000. Thanks to all devs on the project. I am having fun running this software on personal router for my home. I hope this is a fun project for all devs, I know I enjoy tinkering with them.
     
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  77. QQQTJ

    QQQTJ Serious Server Member

    I donate to all kinds of projects and usually make it a recurring monthly of a dollar or two.

    Some open source software or freeware out there really makes my life better so I think if I am in a position to do so it would be the correct thing to show the dev some love.

    I send monthly contributions to
    eff.org
    keepass.info

    and trying to do so with shibby. But I get a bunch of PayPal errors about having to add money to my account first. This is nonsense because I have a Euro balance in PayPal and I try to donate 2 Euros a month to Shibby via his checkout page.

    Contacted PayPal to ask them WTF is up and I got a bunch of F-U templates about automated fraud detection systems bla bla.

    Ended up just logging into paypal account and sending 20 euros to "shibby@groov.pl" rather than use the checkout page. This means PayPal too a fee whereas with donations they don't seem to... Bastards.

    Anyway I have no idea if Shibby got these 20 euros but it seems to have gone through. Still trying to make a recurring contribution work...
     
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  78. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

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  79. QQQTJ

    QQQTJ Serious Server Member

    No Sir, that's not me.

    I still wasn't able to set up a recurring donation. I was planning to just set it up to send a Euro per box that I have each month. Anyway I made two manual payments, one for 20 Euro and another one for 2 Euro when I was trying to make a recurring. These were on March 6 (look for transaction ID XXXXXXXXXX7588224) and March 10 (XXXXXXXXXX1993947).

    I think it worked by just sending to your e-mail address. It did resolve your real-name and doesn't show as "pending". I just wanna get recurring donations to work. Still battling with PayPal on that issue which is an impossible task. It was easier to set up split VPN routing and VLAN on your latest ARM build than to get any love from PayPal :D

    Edit: Just tried another one, I set 3.00 Euro as the amount and ticked the recurring box.

    It seemed to work this time but again it just made it once-off. Doesn't show in pre-approved payments list as a recurring. [​IMG]
     
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  80. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

  81. QQQTJ

    QQQTJ Serious Server Member

    Yup that's one of the addresses on this account.

     
  82. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    well one more time thank you for donation :)
     
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  83. QQQTJ

    QQQTJ Serious Server Member

    Just played around with Merlin build as I replace the Netgear WNR3500 with Asus RT-AC68U.

    I'm a Shibby-head so the Asus GUI is a bit off-putting but OMG! Merlin does great docu.

    The docu alone is worth money. Even if I end up running Shibby for now.

    Clearly a lot of effort has gone into Merlin's docu.
     
  84. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    Thanks :) A lot of the credit goes to the community however, as they wrote a large portion of the Wiki.
     
  85. PartisanEntity

    PartisanEntity Reformed Router Member

    Thank you for bringing this up, I have been using shibby's release for a while now and ever made a donation. But I just made one now as a sign of appreciation for all the hours or hard work. Thank you.
     
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  86. ManiDhillon

    ManiDhillon Serious Server Member

    Donated to RMerlin and XVortex.
    Thanks for your hardwork.
     
  87. Magnus Lübeck

    Magnus Lübeck Network Newbie Member

    Just donated to Shibby.
     
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  88. mojolacerator

    mojolacerator Reformed Router Member

    I have donated in the past and will continue to. I for one appreciate the efforts of all developers and realize it is a hobby for most. I am extremely grateful that the developer's hobby, improves my router's efficiency.

    Thanks to all !
     
  89. uridium64

    uridium64 Connected Client Member

    PayPal is awful - but sometimes awful things are still the lesser evil. I agree fully with Toastman in post #11. I've used my PayPal account since years because it is often the only viable option to send money around the globe. I've donated only small amount for now since I'm unemployed at the moment. But my intention is to continue donating in the future. I like to Tomato so much, I can't imagine to live without it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the great work. BTW: I think this thread is really necessary. Many open-source projects almost get no donations, therefore it is a good idea to point the finger on that.
     
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  90. Jacky444

    Jacky444 Addicted to LI Member

    Totally true! And that's not it, a lot of people expect you to do woh and doh and work 24/7 on open source projects. I even encounter a user who expected real support from me as I am Asus and I am obligated to offer support. I don't do Open source for money, but what is too much is too much :).

    I have received few donations in last 2 months and I'd like to say thanks to those who donated, I very much appriciate!
     
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  91. BobOki

    BobOki Network Guru Member

    I hear Google Wallet works just fine, I use it all the time.
     
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  92. uridium64

    uridium64 Connected Client Member

  93. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    If Toastman or another mod update the first post, please update the URL to my website at the same time. It's now http://asuswrt.lostrealm.ca/ .
     
  94. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    @RMerlin done :D
    .
    .
    .

    I noticed someone was talking about setting up a small donation of a few dollars/euros every month to a developer.

    Just an observation:

    You know, after fees from Paypal and other financial institutions, plus currency exchange fees, that the developer won't actually get anything much of it? Anything less than about 10 dollars mostly benefits the banks and Paypal.
     
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  95. wh7qq

    wh7qq Serious Server Member

    I just absentmindedly made what I thought was a contribution to Shibby...I generally use his web page Paypal button but for some reason, hit the button at the bottom of his "About" page on the 131 web interface. The contribution wound up going to Jonathan Zarate, and while I don't begrudge making a contribution to him for his efforts in getting all this started, years ago, Shibby's efforts are more immediate and current and it was my intention to support him in my small way.

    I don't know about other devs but I just want to clarify that the "Donate" button in Shibby's firmware apparently does not go to Shibby. Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this.
     
  96. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    indeed. Donate button on About page of Tomato GUI going to Jonathan. If you will open source code of About page you will see this hidden comment:

    So this is Jon`s wish and i don`t have right to change it.

    If you want donate my work, you have to use Donation button on my tomato.groov.pl homepage.

    Best Regards.
     
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  97. wh7qq

    wh7qq Serious Server Member

    You are an amazing man. Thanks for all you do.
     
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  98. abdulwasay

    abdulwasay New Member Member

    Yeah That's right
     
  99. netbeui

    netbeui Reformed Router Member

    Thank you all for your hard work and dedication!

    tomatousb - 25usd - 4HJ96382SP325231K
    victek - 20eur - 41205199JS3740619
    toastman - 20usd - 19A17433NU744064K
    shibby - 25eur - 40072774W1772635Y

    Please give us other options for donations.
     
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  100. fubdap

    fubdap Addicted to LI Member

    Out of curiosity - who is getting the donation to tomatousb?


     

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