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How is the WRE54G "Supposed" To Work?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Anonymous, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    After days of trying to get my WRE54G to talk to my WRT54GX I think it's finally happening. My question is, what's actually happening here.

    Do I need to supply my own DNS numbers for any client connected via the range expander - it seems like I do. I have two floors in my house so my Mac attaches automatically to the strongest signal. If I attach directly to my router it gives my DNS via DHCP. Not true with the range expander. Is my assumption correct?

    Should I expect the default IP 192.168.1.240 to show up on the DHCP clients table of my router (it doesn't).

    By the way, I asked 4 different techs at LinkSys if the two products could work together. 2 said no, 2 said yes.

    Thanks in advance,
     
  2. jschall

    jschall Network Guru Member

    Don't give up, emojoman :thumb:

    I went through just about the same Helpdesk Hell as you, but eventually I got the Setup Wizard to run all the way to the "Congratulations!" screen.

    You should have 2 blue lights - if the Link light is red, you're not there yet.

    You should have firmware 1.06, September 30, 2005. And also get the latest firmware for your WRT54GX - it takes compatibility upgrades on BOTH ends of the bridge!

    To INITIALLY connect to the WRE management browser page directly, you must set your client (laptop with PC Card Wi-Fi adapter?) to a STATIC IP address, not dynamic (DHCP).

    In the WRE's management page, you should have its default IP address (.240, which is static, and OUTSIDE the default range of the WRT's DHCP server). The WRE should have automatically picked up the same SSID as your WRT's. You should be on the same channel.

    The new WRE firmware does not allow you to edit the bridged MAC address - it should show "Link Status:" and then the MAC address of your Wi-Fi adapter.

    When you run a network monitor utility like Cirond Winc or Network Stumbler, you should see the two identical SSIDs, with their different strengths. I disabled Windows Wireless Zero Configuration, but I guess you can't do that, eh?

    When I do a walkabout with my laptop in hand, I see the automatic switch take place to the stronger signal.

    Finally, set the client's IP address back to dynamic, and you should see it show up in the DHCP Client Table on the WRT, as usual.

    I hope this helps you to get a little closer to a working WRE54G and a strong connection upstairs!

    - Jeff
     
  3. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Still though I am confused. I suppose I can set the clients IP to be dynamic but I still have to supply DNS numbers correct?

    Also, it sounds like you are saying the WRE won't show up in the DHCP clients table, after typing that phrase I just say "duh" of course it won't since it isn't doing DHCP.

    I have a PC as well so I can see via NetStumbler that I am associated with the Expander rather than the router.

    I think it might actually work.
     
  4. jschall

    jschall Network Guru Member

    8O NO! You shouldn't have to enter any "DNS numbers", whatever they are. Your WRT deals with your ISP's DNS server - that's the router's job, as is its DHCP function. Your WRE, once it is correctly installed, just bridges your page requests to the WRT, as if you were directly connected to the Access Point.

    I hope it's working for you as it is for me!

    - Jeff
     
  5. jgutz20

    jgutz20 Network Guru Member

    yea once you get the WRE setup correctly it will just pass on your request for IP/Gateway/DNS when you try to connect.
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    So something must be wrong then. I can browse the net etc. fine IF I type in my own DNS numbers.

    Otherwise, on the client side, if I attach to the WRE I don't get the DNS numbers but I do get a dynamic IP.

    Does this make sense?
     
  7. howardp6

    howardp6 Network Guru Member

    The WRE54G will not work with the WRT54GX v1.0, WRT54GX v2.0, the WRT54GX2 V1.0 not the WRT54GX4 v1.0. None of the SRX routers support repeating or bridging.
     
  8. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    So howardp6, where is your info from (I am inclined to think you are correct). I still can't get the things working as described above.

    What I can do is manually enter the IP address I want to use with all the correct settings including DNS. NetStumbler seems to indicate that I am attached to the WRE and it functions correctly. Does that make sense?

    If they don't work together is anyone aware of plans to make that happen? If not, should I be returning the expander or going another route altogether?
     
  9. flymordecai

    flymordecai Network Guru Member

    Sigh....I have the WRE54G v. 2.0 and WRT54G v. 3.0 and things are just not connecting. The WRE's Link light is red and the activity light is static blue. I've tried EVERYTHING from updating firmware, manually setting the IP, gateway and all that stuff. My mind is fried and I'm sad...I want my dad to have wireless connection in the family room.

    I guess I will try again tomorrow, I have a midterm to study for.
     
  10. jschall

    jschall Network Guru Member

    Don't give up, flymordecai :thumb:

    You are not alone - lots of us have lived through this!

    Make sure the WRT54Gv3 has its latest firmware. Duhh...

    Can you log in to the WRE's browser interface?

    Can you ping the WRT when you are connected to the WRE?

    - Jeff
     
  11. flymordecai

    flymordecai Network Guru Member

    When the computer in the family room is connected to the WRE's signal, it says that the connection has "limited to no connectivity". Then I check the IP and other details of the wireless connection, and it has changed from the original "192.168.1.240" of the WRE54G. I don't think it's supposed to change the IP and other stuff, right? Also, the red light on the Link light is constantly on.
     
  12. jschall

    jschall Network Guru Member

    Hang in there, flymordecai!

    Please answer ALL the questions (Now I'm starting to sound like the Linksys Helpdesk!):

    1. When you are connected via your WRT, can you log into its management interface?
    2. What is the WRT's firmware release?
    3. What is its IP address?
    4. What is the IP of your computer?
    5. Is DHCP enabled on the WRT?
    6. Is WEP or WPA security enabled on the WRT?

    Now for the WRE:

    7. When you are connected via your WRE, can you log into its management interface?
    8. What is the WRE's firmware release?
    9. What is its IP address?
    10. What is the IP of your computer? (I am assuming it's a different computer, but maybe it's a portable. Please specify)
    11. Does your computer have a static IP address, or one assigned by the WRT as DHCP server?
    11. What is the Gateway IP address on the WRE?
    12. Is WEP or WPA security enabled on the WRE?
    13. Can you ping the WRT when you are connected to the WRE?
    14. Have you tried setting up with the Wizard? What happens?
    15. Have you tried resetting the WRE with a pin in the hole?
    16. Have you tried pressing the autoconfigure button?
    17. Are you getting tired of answering questions? :D

    - Jeff
     
  13. howardp6

    howardp6 Network Guru Member

    If you checked www.tomsnetworking.com and the review for the WRT54GX v1.0, you would have seen on the first page of the review that the WRT54GX v1.0 and the WRT54GX v2.0 do not support repeating and bridging. The WET54G and WET54GS5 will connect to the WRT54GX series of routers, but the WRE54G and WAP54G will not.
     
  14. flymordecai

    flymordecai Network Guru Member

    Please answer ALL the questions (Now I'm starting to sound like the Linksys Helpdesk!):

    1. When you are connected via your WRT, can you log into its management interface? Yes
    2. What is the WRT's firmware release? Firmware Version : v4.20.7
    3. What is its IP address? 192.168.1.1
    4. What is the IP of your computer? Not sure if I am looking at the right IP, but I checked the IP of the WRT wireless connection and it says: Address Type: Assigned by DHCP, 192.168.1.101 for the IP, 255.255.255.0 for the subnet mask, 192.169.1.1 for default gateway.
    5. Is DHCP enabled on the WRT? Yeah, DHCP is enabled.
    6. Is WEP or WPA security enabled on the WRT? WPA-TPIK is enabled, but when I was setting up the WRE54G, I turned it off like most people said to.

    Now for the WRE:

    7. When you are connected via your WRE, can you log into its management interface? When I connect to the WRE signal, it says I have "limited or no connectivity"
    8. What is the WRE's firmware release? Firmware Version: 2.01.12, this is the latest firmware for the WRE54G v. 2.0
    9. What is its IP address? The IP address that's on the WRE setup page is the default 192.168.1.240, but then when it's connected (with the limited or no connectivity), it says: Address type is "Automatic Private Address", the IP address is 169.254.35.185, subnet mask is 255.255.0.0, and there is no default gateway number.
    10. What is the IP of your computer? (I am assuming it's a different computer, but maybe it's a portable. Please specify) Again, I'm not sure which IP your asking or how I can find this. If it's the IP of the WRE, then it's in the above question.
    11. Does your computer have a static IP address, or one assigned by the WRT as DHCP server? Not sure how to find out, but I think it's assigned one by the WRT since when I'm connected to the WRT, it says the address type is Assigned by DCHP.
    11. What is the Gateway IP address on the WRE? No default gateway IP when connected to the WRE.
    12. Is WEP or WPA security enabled on the WRE? Not at this moment, but if I get it to work somehow then I would like to have WEP or WPA enabled.
    13. Can you ping the WRT when you are connected to the WRE? Not sure how to do this.
    14. Have you tried setting up with the Wizard? What happens? Haven't tried this because I was told not to even bother with the setup CD.
    15. Have you tried resetting the WRE with a pin in the hole? Yeah, still has limited or no connectivity and the link light is still red.
    16. Have you tried pressing the autoconfigure button? Yeah, and no change.
    17. Are you getting tired of answering questions? Nope. :D

    Thanks Jeff!

    Since I was so discouraged from trying to install it a couple of days ago, I was thinking about returning the WRE54G and getting a 2nd WRT54G + WDS. That's really a hassle though, cuz I have to get it RMA with Newegg. I'd just like the WRE to work! :cry:
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    discussion about the correct setup of wre

    as i read through all the frustrations on configuring the wre the correct way of configuring the wre is 1. ssid broadcast and dhcp is enabled 2 . wireless security should be first disable on the router then 3. is that all components should be close to each other the wireless pc the wre and your wrt but if your wre is a version 2 you could hw the wre to wrt and use also a pc whic is hw to the wrt and configure it / 2 ways of configuring the wre 1. using the autoconfig button > press the button for 3 sec. and release then check the lights both should be blue then it's ok , it's associated to your wrt , then you may check for the available wireless network if you could see 2 same ssid but the other one is stronger only means that it is associated/ if not try to ping the wre if you got reply you got it then you may put on a diffrent room or location then try cheking your wireless signal if it is still low or not / if it is good then go online it should work with that
    2. accessing the setup page of the wre / you must have thesame wireless setting of your wrt then power cycle again lights should be both blue if it is then do samething as above

    wireless security>>> you could enable wep on v1 and 2 / wpa personal (tkip) on v2 only

    reminder when enabling the wireless security on your network you should do it firt on wre before wrt then power cycle your network and it should good to go again check for the lights if theyre both blue if not try to reconfigre your passpharse or psk
     
  16. jschall

    jschall Network Guru Member

    :cry: I didn't realize you have a WRE54G Version 2! That should be much easier to configure, because as Mr. Anonymous said, you can connect the WRE directly to the WRT for setup!


    My experience is with the Version 1, so I may not be the best person to help you. But let me respond to some of your comments, flymordecai:

    "14. Have you tried setting up with the Wizard? What happens?
    - Haven't tried this because I was told not to even bother with the setup CD. "

    Try it! Especially since you can wire the WRE to the WRT, there's less to go wrong with the Wizard. And since it's a newer version of the Wizard, MAYBE it's more bullet-proof than the one that ships on the Version 1 CD!

    "7. When you are connected via your WRE, can you log into its management interface?
    -When I connect to the WRE signal, it says I have 'limited or no connectivity'"

    So, can you open the WRE management interface by browsing to 192.168.1.240? - either by wire or wireless (please specify which)?


    "9. What is its IP address?
    -The IP address that's on the WRE setup page is the default 192.168.1.240, but then when it's connected (with the limited or no connectivity), it says: Address type is "Automatic Private Address", the IP address is 169.254.35.185, subnet mask is 255.255.0.0, and there is no default gateway number."

    The address 169. etc. seems to be the IP address assigned to YOUR PC by YOUR ISP (i.e., the Default Gateway provided by your ISP).

    The Private Address is the 192. etc. that SHOULD be assigned by the WRT as "Default Gateway".

    "10. What is the IP of your computer? (I am assuming it's a different computer, but maybe it's a portable. Please specify)
    -Again, I'm not sure which IP your asking or how I can find this. If it's the IP of the WRE, then it's in the above question."

    You are trying to connect to the WRE from a client computer. To do so, your client computer needs an IP address, that is SUPPOSED to be a "private" address assigned by the DHCP server in the WRT (there is no DHCP server in the WRE). To determine the IP address of your computer, when you are connected to the WRE, open a DOS window, (Run/cmd) and at the command line prompt, type "ipconfig".

    "11. Does your computer have a static IP address, or one assigned by the WRT as DHCP server?
    -Not sure how to find out, but I think it's assigned one by the WRT since when I'm connected to the WRT, it says the address type is 'Assigned by DCHP'"

    With the Version 1, in order to connect wirelessly to the WRE for setup, it is necessary to disable DHCP on the client PC, and use a temporary IP address, one that is OUTSIDE the range of the DHCP server on the WRT. The suggested temporary static address is 192.168.1.239. To set this TEMPORARY IP address on the client PC, I had to
    1) open Network Connections
    2) Right-Click on "Wireless Connection" and select "properties"
    3) in the "Wireless Connection Properties" window that pops up, select "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)", and click on "Properties"
    4) in the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)" window that pops up, select "Use the following IP Address", and enter 192.168.1.239
    5) Click on OK until you are back to the desktop

    Of course, you might not have to do all that with the WRE Version 2 wired directly to your WRT router port.

    "17. Are you getting tired of answering questions?
    -Nope."

    GOOD! There will likely be more! Don't give up on the WRE54G yet - once set up, it works well. Mine has been running plugged into a wall outlet in my sunroom for two weeks now, out of sight, out of mind, without a hiccup. So I can move from a strong signal from my WRT, to a strong signal from the WRE, and the switchover takes place automatically.

    Let us know how the Wizard works - what error messages does it throw? Does it run all the way to the "Congratulations" screen?

    - Jeff
     
  17. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    REPLY

    as again reading your frustration on configuring the wre well I think personally that you confuse about what your seeing on the available wireless network

    as ive said before (im mr. anonymous by the way) there are 2 ways of configuring the wre

    1. by the autoconfig button
    2 by manually editting the wireless settings of the wre
    (optional is by using the cd)

    1 BY USING THE AUTOCONFIG BUTTON

    getting the wre to setup for the first time you'll have these devices close to each other to configure it properly

    check the lights> it should be red for link and blue for act

    check for available wireless network> your wireless network list should detect the wre where it would broadcast the name linksy with addons (i.e. linksysR108923) which tells naturally it's your wre and the signal is all the way

    press the autoconfig button on the side> whenever your pressed this button it will copy the ssid and channel of your router so whenever you view again the wireless network list you would not see the ssid before ( linksysR108923) but yours only together with other ssid

    check the lights on the wre> because it should be blue for link and blue for act which tells that it is associated to your router

    ping the wre>well pinging the wre by it's default ip address will sure to tell us if you could connect to it wirelessly

    Pinging WRE you must go to COMMAND PROMPT:
    >>ick on start the go to run type CMD then click OK
    >>at the blinking cursor type ping 192.168.1.240 then press enter
    >> you should get 4 replies

    if you do have 4 replies you could place the wre on the location where youre getting a low signal then check your signal strength it will give you a signal boost rather than before of low signal but on the same name then try to check if you could go online it should work fine

    2MANUALLY EDITTING THE WIRELESS SETTING OF THE WRE


    By manually doing it your pc should set to static if and only if your wre is a vesio 1 if your wre is a version2 you just connect it to your router and use one of your main pc to configure it

    2 A.) Vesion1
    >> you will need a wireless pc to manually set it up
    >>set your wireless pc to static/ how to
    >>click on start then go to control panel then select Network and Internet Connection Icon if you cannot see this look for Network Connection Icon then look for Wireless Connection Icon double left click then select properties then look for Internet Protocol TCP/IP then click on properties you should be looking on a window which has an option of either obtain ip address automatically or use the follwing ip chose the second option then fill up the boxes for ip address (i.e. ip address>>192.168.1.5/ sm>>255.255.255.0/ dg>>192.168.1.240) then hit ok then hit close then you could now perform the next step

    >>view for available wireless network
    >>look for same as above(i.e. linksysR108923)
    >>select it then connect to it
    >>if it tells you that your connected try to ping it well explained earlier
    >>then access it by going to start then run then type 192.168.1.240 then ok / it should be asking you a username and password/ for username leave it blank and for the password type admin
    >>then configure it thesame way as your router setting is / the channel/ the wireless network mode / ssid broadcast / then the ssid
    >>then save the settings / you'll be disconnected try to check the lights it should be blue and blue if not power cycle the network
    Power Cycling is done properly by turning off the modem the router and the wre then the pc then turn on first the modem then the router then wre then your wireless pc just be sure that the lights there on each and every devices are stable before turning the other on
    >>then check again for the lights if blue and blue if it is then view for available wireless network you should be seeing there your ssid if you could,set your pc to obatain ip automatically then connect to it then check ip if you got valid ip(i.e. 192.168.1.100) then ping the wre you should getting again 4 replies and if you are then you may reposition the wre to where you have a low signal you should have a excellent signal then check if you could go online it should be working fine



    2 A.) Vesion2
    >>just connect your wre to the router then ping it / if4 replies then
    >>access the setup page and configure the way it was on your wireless settings of the router
    >>then check your wireless network list then check the lights
    >> if you got blue blue good if not then reset the wre then try it again
    >> resetting the wre is done properly by holding the reset button for 30 sec. then unplug the power first before releasing the button in that way it will go back to it's default settings then try it again
    >>same goes as configuring the version 1 it just that you don't assign static ip on your wireless pc to access the setup page of the wre then again check the lights then ip's on your wireless then ping the wre well if you got it correctly you'll have 4 replies then reposition the wre to where youre getting a low signal then chekc again for the lights and ip settings then go online

    OK THAT'S ALL I KNOW AND ALL THAT I COULD SHARE, WELL BE SURE THAT THE WIRELESS SECURITY IS DISABLE ON YOUR ROUTER OR THE STEPS ON CONFIGURING IT WOULD BE USELESS FELL FREE TO REPLY ON IT :thumb:
     
  18. limesoft

    limesoft Network Guru Member

    Actually WRE54G Vx can't repeat WRT54GX Vx BUT!!! WAP54G can be a wireless client of WRT54GX vx. That's all i can say and i tested.

    *where x = 1, 2
     

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