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Is Tomato pretty much dead?

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by FattysGoneWild, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. FattysGoneWild

    FattysGoneWild LI Guru Member

    If it was not for the few people keeping it going for now. I would imagine it would be dead? What ever happened to the original Tomato? It has not seen a update in a long time. DD-WRT keeps flowing well. Is it really do to being that much more popular? I personally have never used it.
  2. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    It's a matter of point of view. You could also look at it this way: I have seen 4-5 Tomato releases in the past few months. When was the last official DD-WRT release?
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  3. Mangix

    Mangix Networkin' Nut Member

    dd-wrt has tremendous bugs in it today. BrainSlayer cares more about wider device support than anything else it seems.

    Keep in mind that dd-wrt developers get paid to develop it. Both shibby and Toastman do this on their own free time with barely any money coming from donations.
  4. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    I think Tomato is actually pretty healthy today. We have several active mods without a lot of territorialism.

    The biggest "threat" looming for Tomato is the future of the existing architecture. Will there be advancement in MIPS based Broadcom products, or will the focus be ARM like the new ASUS products? Will anyone step up to the challenge of porting to the new architecture? Is trying to port it even the right answer?
  5. Mangix

    Mangix Networkin' Nut Member

    I hope that the future will be ARM only. MIPS processors are slow compared to ARM or x86 at the same clockspeed.

    As for porting tomato to use ARM, this would be a huge task and would also probably not work depending on Broadcom's drivers. If Broadcom continues making their drivers exclusive to the 2.6.19-24 series of kernels, this would be possible. If Broadcom decides to make drivers for newer kernels(which they should do), then Tomato will remain MIPS only.

    I hope at least kernel version 3.3 will be used in future Broadcom releases as Byte Queue Limits are going to be tremendously important moving forward.
  6. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    I'm doing mods for Tomato since 2007, for me it's a hobby, a learning to grow and help other people with my releases and mods.

    Donations?.. I received donations to drink 6 beers in 4 year, meanwhile more than 8.000 people is downloading every new Tomato RAF release and around 380 people is visiting the url every day....

    The day I will find another hobby I'll close Tomato RAF but it gives me the opportunity to meet and exchange ideas with many people. So, enjoy Tomato, you can complaint free of charge when something is wrong and some mods try to find a solution for a free firmware. The future changes every second ... :) .. meanwhile, enjoy Tomato!.

    @jerrm porting to a new chipset can't be done by one person, almost of mods have their own real job, everything is possible but not in the expected timeline ...
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  7. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    Exactly what I intend to do.

    I fully realize that. I'd be pleasantly surprised if it happens, but the key word is surprised. I would think any "ARM Tomato" if it ever happens would likely start as porting certain Tomato features to another base.

    It'll be fun to see where things go.
  8. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    If ever we get open source code for those routers, then an attempt could be made to port Tomato. Consider that Tomato is characterised mostly by the Graphic Interface and a few other things that are pretty exclusive, such as the QOS system. Convert the existing GUI pages to Tomato's style, and add the QOS - should be possible while keeping the rest - similar to what Jon did to the original Linksys code. Would it still be Tomato? I think so. It depends if any future developments are kept free of bloat or it will just become another DD-WRT.

    The original developer, Jon Zarate, has clearly gone, nobody has any news about him. Fedor (Teddy Bear) who took up the cause and worked on TomatoUSB, threw in the towel more than a year ago, and he will not be returning. I have been unable to obtain the necessary permissions to the tomatousb.org website and download site to take it over, as was originally intended, so at the moment that must be regarded as a dead end too. The other developers that worked with us at that time have also gone, I think only Ray is left.
  9. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    I think the best shot at moving Tomato to ARM will be to wait for Asus to release the GPL for the RT-AC56U (their first ARM-based router). Tomato devs could then take the kernel from it as a starting point (Tomato doesn't have much in terms of kernel patches anyway). Since both firmwares share a common heritage and still have a very similar architecture, it would be doable (tho still a good amount of work) to merge Asuswrt and Tomato together.
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