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Linksys Router (used as AP) connected to Actiontec MI424 (Verizon FIOS) Router

Discussion in 'Networking Issues' started by mookie2112, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. mookie2112

    mookie2112 Addicted to LI Member

    I recently had Verizon FIOS installed. I want to bypass the wireless on the Actiontec MI424 (Verizon) router and use it as wired only.

    I want to use my Linksys WRT310N as my wireless access point.


    My question is how I "connect" (physically and logically) the 2 routers together?


    1) Do I connect WAN port on the linksys router to the WAN port on the Actiontec router? Or, should I use one of the 1-4 ethernet ports?

    2) How do I (logically) connect the sub-nets? I think I'd want to call the linksys side 192.168.2.1 and the Verizon side 192.168.1.1.

    Do I set up the Linksys as static IP?

    Do I have to *explicitly* set up a route in the routing table of the Linksys? Likewise, do I have to set up an analogous route on the Actiontec router?

    I assume I have to turn off NAT on the Linksys? What about dynamic routing? I guess if I leave dynamic routing ON, I don't have to set up an explicit route to the Actiontec?

    Also, who should do DHCP? I assume the Actiontec should do DHCP?


    Thanks!!


    Mook
     
  2. wthess

    wthess Addicted to LI Member

    Well, unless you need extra security, it's really not as complicated as you are proposing.

    I'm going to assume your Actiontec router is what is connected to the modem.

    First, disable the wireless ability on the Actiontec router. Turn DHCP on.

    Next, reset the Linksys to factory defaults, and connect the Linksys to a PC. Don't connect it to the other router at this time.

    Login to the Linksys and give it a unique IP address for the LAN side within the same subnet as your Actiontec. ie, if the Actiontec is using 192.168.1.x then use 192.168.1.x on the Linksys too but make sure it doesn't conflict with other devices including the Actiontec router.

    Ignore the Internet setup. We will not be using the WAN port. Some wireless routers allow you to disable internet settings and others have a setting that allow you to use it as an access point only. Either way, if you have those, use them.

    Disable DHCP on the Linksys

    Setup the wireless portion of the Linksys.

    Now, you can connect the Linksys to the Actiontek. Do not use the WAN port. Go from LAN port on the Actiontec to a LAN port on the Linksys. In this configuration, the Linksys will be acting as a semi-smart switch and access point. The primary router will issue DHCP addresses and the Linksys will provide wireless access.

    That should get you all taken care of.
     
  3. wallyf

    wallyf Addicted to LI Member

    Questions on Setup

    wthess,

    I have the Verizon Actiontec MI424 router and it has given me fits. Before I added Fios TV to the Fios internet service, I used my Linksys WRT54G wireless router. It worked like a champ.

    I want to set up the WRT54 as my AP and use the Actiontec to connect to the Internet thru the ONT.

    I tried your setup process but have had some problems. My questions are as follows:

    1) Do I connect the PC to the WRT54G WLAN input or to one of the LAN inputs?

    2) How do I login into the WRT54G? Since it is not connected to the internet, where do I login using "192.168.1.1"? I see it as a local connection but don't know how to access the set menus.

    3) I plan on using 192.168.1.3 as it's new address as this is available. Is this OK or does the address have to be the same as the Actiontec (192.168.1.1)? The two coax(MoCA) connections are 192.168.1.101 and 102.

    4) I have tried connecting to it as a wireless AP. I see it and ask Vista to connect but it will not connect. Since I did a factory reset on the WRT54G do I have to go back and go thru the basic Linksys setup process?

    Thanks for your help.

    Wallyf
     
  4. wthess

    wthess Addicted to LI Member

    I've answered each of your questions below your input. Hope this helps

    1) Do I connect the PC to the WRT54G WLAN input or to one of the LAN inputs?

    Connect your PC to a LAN port. WLAN means "wireless LAN" and there are no inputs on the routers for it. There is, however, a WAN (Internet) port on each, but you will need to connect it to a LAN port.

    2) How do I login into the WRT54G? Since it is not connected to the internet, where do I login using "192.168.1.1"? I see it as a local connection but don't know how to access the set menus.

    192.168.1.1 is an IP on the local side. If your PC is plugged into a LAN port on that device, you should be able to access the setup menus via http://192.168.1.1 via internet explorer. Be sure you configure this router before plugging it into a LAN port on the Actiontec. If you have reset the router to factory defaults, it should issue an IP address for you, allowing you access.

    3) I plan on using 192.168.1.3 as it's new address as this is available. Is this OK or does the address have to be the same as the Actiontec (192.168.1.1)? The two coax(MoCA) connections are 192.168.1.101 and 102.

    No. The IP address on each one has to be unique. Also, you need to make sure only one of them has DHCP enabled. I usually recommend the router connected to the internet and considering the Actiontec has the two coax connections which have IP's you'll save yourself loads of trouble by not monkeying with the Actiontec.

    So, if the Actiontec is 192.168.1.1, you will definitely need to configure the Linksys before physically connecting it to the Actiontec or you will have a conflict. With the Linksys unplugged from the Actiontec, log in as I specified above, change the login type to static IP, then the IP to 192.168.1.3, subnet to 255.255.255.0, gateway to 192.168.1.1, DNS to 192.168.1.1, and finally...Disable DHCP. Save settings.

    When the Linksys comes back up, you can then connect it to the Actiontec. Using a cable, connect your PC to a LAN port on the Linksys. You should be able to get to the internet. If so, you can now log back into the Linksys using http://192.168.1.3 and configure the wireless portion.


    4) I have tried connecting to it as a wireless AP. I see it and ask Vista to connect but it will not connect. Since I did a factory reset on the WRT54G do I have to go back and go thru the basic Linksys setup process?

    Well, that depends completely upon how you had it configured before. If you had it setup as a secure network using WEP, WPA, etc. then you won't be able to connect until you reconfigure the router to the settings and key that you had previously. If you don't remember the settings, pass phrase, WEP key, etc, then you will need to configure the Linksys with new settings, delete the wireless profile on the PC, and reconnect.


    Overall, try thinking of the Linksys as a computer rather than a router, except that it will be configuring its IP address manually (static) rather than letting it do it automatically (dynamic). Your primary goal here is to get the Linksys talking to the Actiontec so that the Linksys has access to the net. Once it does, the rest is easy and you are simply using the Linksys as a sort of passthrough to the internet.
     
  5. wallyf

    wallyf Addicted to LI Member

    A few more questions

    wthess,

    Thanks for answering me with some answers. I have a few more.

    2) I tried logging into the WRT54G using the internet and 192.168.1.1. I still had the Actiontec turned and connected to the PC as a wireless AP so the login went to the Actiontec. Do I need to turn the Actiontec power off?

    4) Since I performed a factory reset using the reset button on the WRT54G, the WRT54G should not have any encryption. The DHCP is probably still enabled, however. Do I have to go thru the standard Linksys setup and then go back and re-configure if I use this avenue?

    5) Once I get this setup working, will the TV STB's still have the Guide, VOD and pay for view? I have seen another approach where the Linksys WRT54G connects to the ONT ethernet cable and the Actiontec runs off the WRT54G thru a LAN to LAN connection. Which is the best approach?

    Thanks again.

    Wallyf:)
     
  6. wallyf

    wallyf Addicted to LI Member

    SUCCESS

    wthess,

    I answered all of my questions.

    1) I did not want to turn off the Actiontec wireless feature yet in case I had a problem. So I selected channel 1 and then I turned off the Actiontec power.

    2) I had to change the PC's automatic connection of the Actiontec to manual under the "Manage Network Connections" so that the Internet Explorer would go to the ethernet LAN connection instead of trying to go to the wireless connection.

    3) I was then able to connect the PC to the Linksys WRT54G LAN #1 input with the ethernet cable and make the necessary changes. I also selected channel 11 so that it would not conflict with the Actiontec.

    4) I connected the Linksys WRT54 LAN #1 port to the Actiontec LAN #1 port and powered up both routers. I then connected to the WRT54G wirelessly and set it to connect automatically in the future.

    5) I then logged onto the Actontec using "192.168.1.1" and turned off the wireless capability. I had changed the WRT54G to "192.168.1.3".

    Thanks for all of your help. Remember, Internet Explorer will try to go to the wireless router connection if the "automatic connect" feature is enabled in managing the wireless connections. This is why I had trouble connecting to the Linksys WRT54G using the ethernet cable.

    wallyf
     
  7. wthess

    wthess Addicted to LI Member

    Cool. Glad I could help.

    Yea, one of the most annoying things about Windows is it prefers wireless connections over wired connections. For the life of me, I can't even begin to understand the logic. Oh well..."We will be assimilated....Resistance is futile" :)
     

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