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Linksys WRT 54GL vs Buffalo WHR-G54S

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HiSpeed, Sep 15, 2006.

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Best router for third party firmware ?

  1. Linksys WRT-54GL

    10 vote(s)
    71.4%
  2. Buffalo WHR-G54S

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  3. Other

    3 vote(s)
    21.4%
  1. HiSpeed

    HiSpeed Network Guru Member

    I create this thread to compare the Linksys WRT 54GL to the Buffalo WHR-G54S !
    These products are the most interesting in term of price/performance to install/use third party firmwares (DD-WRT, etc.) !

    What model do you prefer and why ?

    Example : Buffalo encrypt the original firmware which is a problem to flash back... :rolleyes:
     
  2. ifican

    ifican Network Guru Member

    Unfortunately i dont think your going to get much response to this one simply because not many users are going to have those exact two devices. It might be much better to ask directly what users like and dislike about the linksys and then find a buffalo site and ask what they like and dislike about that one there. Dont get me wrong, I hope that someone has and can answer your question, but just see it being very limited in nature. Good luck.........
     
  3. pablito

    pablito Network Guru Member

    ^exactly

    I would have to say I prefer the Linksys. But that is because it is the only one of the two I've tried. It does what I need so I'm happy. No amount of trivial details of one over the other would make any difference if I'm already doing what I need. If it had been the other way I'd still be happy. It simply doesn't get any better.

    Let's not create controversy where none exist.
     
  4. HiSpeed

    HiSpeed Network Guru Member

    It's a poll for Esquire who exploded my thread this morning ! (I know now how he'll vote) :biggrin:

    No seriously, it's simply a way to list the advantages/inconvenients of the products because this offer appears very interesting in a first approach...
     
  5. ifican

    ifican Network Guru Member

    Understandable and I too enjoy seeing the differences and individuals thoughts on other items, but the poll will be skewed simple because of where it is posted. For me neither of those products is a favorite and to be quite honest out of all my gear, linksys isnt even the favorite, however the 2 pieces of linksys gear I own i have been more then happy with. The wrv200, is slowly (firmware dependent) becomming a much more likeable product. I am though looking forward to see where this post goes.........
     
  6. Esquire

    Esquire Mesquire Staff Member Member

    Only because you neglected to qualify the WHR-G54S in the said DD-WRT offer as a custom job and not a standard factory model - DD-WRT was not installed at the factory and you misled someone into thinking it was a standard Buffalo release, and since you mentioned that "you didn't care" it was up to someone else to set the fact straight, and since you somehow indirectly got me involved by redirected the person to enquire with me (through private messages) about Buffalo routers, that *someone else* would have to be me.

    I don't need anyone to start up a poll for my sake - I have more than enough Buffalo equipment in my possession to make up my mind than you care to imagine. If your intention for the poll is to compare DD-WRT customized version of the two routers, than this poll is misleading - nothing to compare when running the same DD-WRT firmware. If you want to know which router is best for customized firmware in general, Linksys is miles ahead of the Buffalo - Buffalo didn't release any GPL Linux based souce code of their firmware until much later.
     
  7. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    The WRT54GL would be my choice not due to being linksys, but because it is supported by more 3rd party firmwares than the buffalo is.
     
  8. HiSpeed

    HiSpeed Network Guru Member

    Thanks Toxic for your answer which is simple and direct as I like.

    Esquire, my intention is not to polemize. As you mention Buffalo in your signature, I thought you could be a reference.

    I'm waiting now the opinion of other Buffalo users...
     
  9. swinn

    swinn Network Guru Member

    The WRT54GL is the best for third party firmware just because you have more choices.

    For DD-WRT I'd buy the WHR-G54S since it is well made, inexpensive and is stable. The only thing the WRT54GL has over the WHR-G54S while using DD-WRT is that the WHR-G54S cannot be overclocked.

    Now while mentioning DD-WRT, for a few bucks more you can get the WHR-HP-G54 which can be overclocked and has a built-in wireless amplifier for a lot stronger signal.
     
  10. HiSpeed

    HiSpeed Network Guru Member

    Thanks Swinn, good comment ! :wink:

    I'm a bit surprised, no vote for Buffalo yet !?

    Probably a few months ago, with the first VxWorks Linksys products, the result would have been different... :biggrin:
     
  11. swinn

    swinn Network Guru Member

    The way the poll is worded and the choices available, I don't see how Buffalo can get a vote. It asks for the "best router for third party firmware." The Buffalo router is only supported by DD-WRT and OpenWRT that I'm aware of. The WRT series is supported by a dozen or more flavors of firmware. So by default the WRT series wins.

    Then the choices of WRT54GL, WHR-G54S and Other. Of those, the best choice would be Other since the WRT54GS (prior to v5) is the "best" router for third party firmware. Though some people might think the poll is for current routers which the WRT54GL would get the vote.

    If it asked for the best router for DD-WRT then you could have some results. The WRT54GL is a good router but it costs over $60 when you could get the WHR-G54S for under $40 for the same hardware.. or for about $5 more you can have the WHR-HP-G54 which has the hardware of the other two, the build quality of the Buffalo's, is overclockable and has a built in wireless amplifier that will cover a huge area compared to the others.

    Of course this is just my opinion :)
     
  12. HiSpeed

    HiSpeed Network Guru Member

    Yes I understand, but the question is "Best router for a third party firmware ?"

    If the choice criteria are DD-WRT (because the most powerful third party :biggrin:) and the price, Buffalo can get a vote, isn't it ?
    If no, that means the owners are not happy with or regret their choice...
     
  13. Chuck D

    Chuck D Guest

    Hi guys... I have analyzed all three of these routers in depth and there is not a clear answer to this question at the moment, but maybe I can shed some light on the advantages and disadvantages of these devices with the current level of knowledge I have on them...

    This poll asks to compare the WHR-G54S with the Linksys WRT54G... There are alot of versions of WRT54G, but they really boil down to two usable, attainable versions... Those are of course the latest versions, 5, 6, 7, etc... that are available at local department stores for $49.99 all day everyday,,, or if you want to have more capabilites for firmware extras and need more RAM etc..., then you would go for the WRT54GL, which is available by order only in mosty cases for $69.99 online at newegg.com.... So we have two versions of WRT54G to consider...

    As fas as the two Linksys models go, they both run DD-WRT just fine, but the new ones are harder to flash, while they are less expensive, and the GL's have more capabilites and are made of better components, but they cost more... Neither of these holds a candle to the Buffalo routers though... This is your cost effective method...

    HOWEVER....... THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH MANUFACTURING OF THE BUFFALO'S..... They are mixed up in the boxes and plastic cases, the firmware is swapped on the two versions, and the heat sink and rf shield are possibly on the wrong units.... BIG PROBLEMS TO FIGURE OUT!!! So in actuallity, until these issues are resolved, Linksys wins by the shear fact that you know what you are buying....

    In the Buffalo product line, we also have two routers to consider... The WHR-G54s and the WHR-HP-G54.... If these routers were really what was in the box you thought you bought, then the "HP" model is the hands down choice...

    IF the buffalo start to come out in the correct box, with the correct plastic case on the unit, with the rf shield and the heat sink on the correct unit, and the correct firmware on them, THEN the HP model would kick total a_s on anything else... It can put out the full 250mW of output power and has an EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE RECEIVE AMPLIFIER.... You just can't beat those features in any Linksys device... So if you do your homework and do some reading on dd-wrt.com in the forums where Brainslayer is discussing these issues, and if you can tell what you are buying at the store or can afford to just go buy all of them just to test them out, then you will want to end up with the WHR-HP-G54, but you might end up finding it in a G54S box at the store, and it might be missing the heat sink and the rf shield... Then you have to read the postings in the dd-wrt forum on the boardflags settings and turn on the receive amplifier...

    Get all of that going, which I have done, and you will have the very best router/firmware combination going at the moment with store bought devices and aftermarket firmware... This combination is the ticket for small deployments.. I also own a citywide wifi network, so for cost and the "known" factor of what we were buying, we recently bought 50 Linksys WRT54GL's to place throughout the network for client receivers and repeaters...

    I want to use the buffalos and I have them working in experimental levels and figured out what was in each box and straightened it all out, but you can't just order 50 of them and know what you are getting until Buffalo fixes their maunfacturing and packaging issues...

    I hope this helps, although the truth of it just muddied the waters pretty good.... LOL!!

    Take care ,
    Chuck D
     
  14. adisor19

    adisor19 Network Guru Member

    No vote for buffalo cause the one up in the poll, is the crappy one. I voted other meaning : WHR-HP-G54. That built in amplifier goes a LOOONG way :)

    Adi
     
  15. dicksons

    dicksons Network Guru Member

    I really prefer the buffalo --

    the GL is overpriced, performs no better, in fact has worse radio performance

    my only criticism of the buffalo is the teeny external antenna and restrictive casing around the rpsma adapter that makes adding a larger antenna difficult.

    my only praise of the GL is that it is more flexible as far as input voltage

    better than either of these is the WHR-HP which is still cheaper than the GL and has almost 2X the range. It is also a bit better on the electric side but still has the same case issue as the WHR
     
  16. adisor19

    adisor19 Network Guru Member


    Hmm, didn't know there were packaging issues with the Buffalos..

    FYI, for the latest official version of SP2, there is no need anymore to set the board flags. They're properly detected now.

    Adi
     

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