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Looking for NAS200 review

Discussion in 'Cisco/Linksys Network Storage Devices' started by ifican, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. ifican

    ifican Network Guru Member

    Just noticed that linksys finally got around to releasing the NAS200, am hopefull that someone in the near future is going to write a realworld review. Well ideally someone from the community. Also looking for input for anyone that has ever used any of the other similar NAS options, i.e. maxtor, WD, Seagate etc. I have several other 3+ drive bay options in mind but at more then twice the price I am really considering picking up a couple from this family. Anyone have any input in this area?
     
  2. squareslinky

    squareslinky Network Guru Member

    I am here looking for the same thing. I have been watching for this to become available for a while now. Having bought the NSLU2 before, I am hoping that this is better out of the box. Knowing the community is very good at putting out an open source firmware will make me still keep an eye out though.
     
  3. Int15

    Int15 Network Guru Member

    I got mine yesterday and installed 2 Seagate 500G ST3500630AS in it. The drives slid in quite nicely, with the same feeling as a PCMCIA card. The setup is pretty straight forward (I choose RAID0). Formatting took only a few minutes, but rebuilding the second drive took a longer time. This is my first experience with RAID, so this is most likely normal.
    Although the second drive was "rebuilding", all functions were available. Creating shares, playing around with the various settings, etc...

    I guess we'll have to wait at least a few days before I can tell about performance and reliability. So far, I'm quite happy with it.

    If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask.

    -Int15
     
  4. t4thfavor

    t4thfavor Network Guru Member

    How were you rebuilding a drive with Raid0 there is no parity involved with a straight stripe. it would have to be raid 1 at least for a rebuild to be possible. Or am I missing the boat here?
     
  5. Int15

    Int15 Network Guru Member

  6. t4thfavor

    t4thfavor Network Guru Member

    Gotcha, I just wondered if Linksys made a technical error in their instructions.
     
  7. ryanbaxter

    ryanbaxter LI Guru Member

  8. Int15

    Int15 Network Guru Member

    You really took the words out of my mouth. Except for your default password issue, my experience with this product is exactly the same. I too, was affraid of using a totally new hardware piece for something as critical as a backup solution, but so far so (very) good.

    PS: Be careful when you'll water the plants around the NAS ;-)

    -Int15
     
  9. squareslinky

    squareslinky Network Guru Member

    Have you tried to move large files (1gb or more) onto and off of it? That is where I had problems with the NSLU2. Almost lost 400+ full CD's of converted MP3's.

    The new Windows Home Server is quite appealing also. The independent Beta reviews are all very good and you can install it on an old computer.
     
  10. ryanbaxter

    ryanbaxter LI Guru Member

    I was following the "How to Access the Web-Based Utility" section of the Manual_EN.pdf file found on the CDROM that came with the NAS200. Your comment made me go back and reread the directions thinking I missed something with the default login. It reads:

    The login screen supposedly appears after browsing to the device's IP address. This did not happen for me. I was only prompted to login after clicking "Administration Login". I even reset the password and tried it again, but with same results. Perhaps I'm missing something by not having run the Setup Wizard?

    It'd be an interesting, but pricey experiment watering the NAS200. :p
     
  11. ryanbaxter

    ryanbaxter LI Guru Member

    I moved nearly 7500 pictures totaling almost 8GB in file size. Two folders had gibberish names and were missing half their contents. I recopied them and all was fine. This could have been something with Samba.
     
  12. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    With NAS200 (and any NAS device that depends on network connectivity), what happens when the network goes down (like with flaky router or cabling or whatever ..)?

    Ideally, the NAS drive (like Maxtor Shared Storage or WD MyBook World Edition) or NAS controller (like NAS200) should have ethernet and USB connectivity. If the network is unavailable, plug-in the device to a PC's USB port, and get back your data.

    Does anyone know of such a NAS solution?
     
  13. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    Always expecting trouble, here are some other questions about NAS200:

    1. If I have one (or two drives that are NOT in any RAID configuration), then if the NAS200 craps out, can I take these drives, connect them to a PC SATA socket and access may data?

    2. If I have 2 drives in NAS200 that are not in RAID configuration, do these two drives show up as separate drive letters in my drive mapping (Windows XP Pro)?

    3. If the 2 drives are striped (RAID 0), and the NAS200 fails, what are my options?

    4. If the 2 drives are mirrored (RAID 1) and NAS200 fails, then what do I do? Can I get to my data by attaching the drives directly to my PC's SATA controller?

    I may appear paranoid, but why not? The points of failure are:

    a) Hard drives: RAID 1 will help here. You are SOL with RAID 0 or no RAID.
    b) NAS200: This is the big question to me: What do I do if my drives are OK but the NAS200 fails?
    c) Network: I guess I'll have to wait till I fix the connectivity. But in the meantime, is there any way to access my data?
     
  14. squareslinky

    squareslinky Network Guru Member

    Keyspan USB Server. http://www.keyspan.com/
    You can connect any USB Device to a network. I think you need to run some sort of software for it to see the networked devices. I do not own one but recently read about it somewhere.
     
  15. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    Interesting. I'd like to hear any user experience or read any reviews. I could not find any reviews as this seems to be a new product.

    This seems to be a proprietary technology. It also makes the USB devices available to one user at a time on the LAN. From their manual:"When you are done using your USB device, you must virtually disconnect it from your computer
    before it is available to everyone else on the network". That is a serious limitation for sharing hard drives/storage.

    For those interested, their documentation is at http://www.keyspan.com/downloads/homepage_pn_u2s2aW.spml
     
  16. d__l

    d__l Network Guru Member

    To use the Keyspan USB server, you have to install a USB driver. I don't know about their USB 2.0 server, but you would not want to hook a USB HD to the the USB 1.0 server version for large file transfers. The throughput would be just too slow to be tolerable.
     
  17. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    guys if your wanting a solution to the "what if this happens if" senario then you need some sort of redundancy for your NAS device, you need to duplicate your connections, data, and power. do any of you have UPS on your NAS device? if you are writing data to your NAS (using RAID) and your power goes out, please dont expect that once the power comes back your be back to normal. this is when raid's usually fall over unless you have a UPS backup powersupply.

    If you think of "expecting trouble" I would do weekly/daily backups of the data, and make sure your surge and UPS protected at the minimum.

    networks go down for a num,ber of reasons. cabling is VERY low on failure. you more likely to have your router crap out or a power outage.
     
  18. computeguy

    computeguy Network Guru Member

    NAS200 review

    Network setup was easy

    Installed 2 - 1 terabyte Hitachi drives as a mirrored pair.. Installation was a breeze. Mirroring on this size drive took some time.. Overall experience was better than expected.

    Copying files to and from was flawless.
     
  19. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    I do have a UPS on my router and cable modem. I expect to use one on my NAS.

    What I'd like to know is that if there is a failure in my NAS200, I won't be left with one (or 2) hard drives without any easy way to access my data.

    Anyone who is a little-bit paranoid should worry about these things.

    As for backup, the NAS storage IS going to be the backup destination for my PC's. Backup of a backup of a back... how many layers deep does one have to go?

    If the drives in NAS200 are not in RAID formation, then is the disk format used by NAS200 some standard format (is it NTFS? FAT32?) that will allow me to attach the drive to a PC and get to my data?

    If the drives are in RAID 1 (mirror) mode, then can I attach one of the the drives to a PC to get to my data?
     
  20. squareslinky

    squareslinky Network Guru Member

    I do not believe they are NTFS or FAT32, but I am sure someone here can confirm. If this is the case than you can not attach to a Windows PC and get the data off. I believe you could from a Linux machine.
     
  21. Int15

    Int15 Network Guru Member

    I believe the NAS200 runs some kind of Linux OS, so I'd expect an "ext" type of partition format.

    -Int15
     
  22. ifican

    ifican Network Guru Member

    Nice bit of input from everyone, even if its ext there are plenty of small programs that run under windows that will read ext2 or ext3 format.
     
  23. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    I got the following links from USenet for devices that do just what I was looking for (ethernet and USB data connectivity.

    (Actually, I think Buffalotech uses the USB ports to expand storage, not for connecting to a PC)...


    http://www.trekstor.de/en/products/detail_hdd.php?pid=11&cat=0
    http://www.freecom.com/ecproduct_detail.asp?ID=3401&CatID=8020&sCatID=1146195&ssCatID=1146196
    http://www.conceptronic.net/site/de...30&ar=452&Prod_ID=1287&Prod=CHD3LAN&subid=559
    http://buffalotech.com/products/network-storage/linkstation/
     
  24. ninjit

    ninjit Guest

    LaCie ethernet disks are always built this way - you connect to them by ethernet or USB
    http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10882

    I've personally had bad experiences with LaCie products (failing shortly after the end of the warranty - and at the time they only had 90 day warranties)
    But a lot of people swear by them.
     
  25. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    Wow. I must admit, the Lacie product has everything I'm looking for.

    The problem with any of these things is that there are so few out there that user-feedback is lacking. That's where we learn about bugs and reliability issues etc.

    At least they have their source code published via GPL.

    I wonder what format (FAT32, NTFS, Linux) they use to format their drives ..
     
  26. Quijy

    Quijy LI Guru Member

    Lots of good stuff in this thread. Got my NAS last night installed two Seagate 500gb drives, fired it up and setup was a breeze. I did NOT use the setup CD but let it pick up from my DHCP then changed it and configured. I am running Raid 1 (mirror). Now I read on the box and manual it uses FAT32 so if you run it as two drive or RAID1 you should be able to pull them out and run a USB to SATA adapter to recover the data. I have not tried this yet but I will this weekend. One more item of note, the unit does automated back up so I was thinking, It may be possible to use two NAS units in RAID 0 and have one back up to the other each night. other items, I noticed the fan is Loud when it is writing or working but quiets down once the drives sleep. Tranferred 500mb is just in under a minute. Not timing it but it went fast. I susspect it runs linux and has 32mb of ram but not sure yet. I plan to pull it apraet this weekend and take photos. I will post them if I do. Plus I have about 300Gb to move to this device so I should get a good feel for it after that. Right now my current NAS units lock up when moving large files or just lots of data. They are a CompUSA branded device, the work but not great. Been waiting for something like the NAS200. Tons of internal storage plus USB expanision.
     
  27. alokeprasad

    alokeprasad LI Guru Member

    Please let us know if you could access the data from a straight SATA-USB connection to a PC.

    Too bad that NAS200 doesn't allow for sharing of printers attached to it's USB ports ...
     
  28. chains

    chains Guest

    The NAS200 appears to use xfs natively.

    I formatted a single fresh 500GB drive, then pulled it and connected it to a linux box, and that's what was detected. Interestingly, there was a small separate partition (only a few MB) in addition to the main one. I didn't have time to see what's in there, but I presume that's where it keeps the data about users and passwords, etc.

    Of course, I don't know how the formatting/partitioning might be different under different circumstances (multiple drives, etc.).
     
  29. ifican

    ifican Network Guru Member

    Ok another question based on anyone that might have multiple NAS solutions or tested multiple solutions. Given the positive feed back here is my next question. Given the roughly $330 price point (before taxes mind you) for 500GB Raid 1 configuration, would one be inclined to purchase 2 of these units for 1TB (no need to go into its not actually 1TB) for 2/3 the price or spend the extra money on a reliable 4 or 5 drive (raid 5) solution (infrant, thecus or buffalo pro series)?
     
  30. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

  31. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    I may have waited for this device if it offered more. though I think my Synology CS407 just beats the NAS200 nicely.
     
  32. ifican

    ifican Network Guru Member

  33. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah thats a nice NAS, though synology allow so much more.

    Web, SQL, FTP, Media, iTune, Photo/Video, Printer, and Backup Server, plus Bittorrent Client. Support is excellent and they also have public beta testing frequently.
     
  34. Quijy

    Quijy LI Guru Member

    I have the NAS200, while both of the devices by Promise and synology are very nice, I think they are in a different class of unit. More commercial/IT Center than consumer/home based devices which is what the NAS200 is.

    Here is part one of my review
    http://www.n2qji.com/linksys_NAS200_Part_1(on_the_inside).htm

    I am working on part two.
     
  35. mw1001

    mw1001 Network Guru Member

    There is a review at Tom's Hardware Guide network division (smallnetbuilder), entitled "Linksys NAS200: Low price, disappointing performance":

    http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30127/75/

    I'm surprised with QNAP TS-109 review (not only in this site, but in any review that i found). Much faster than other NASes in the same category.

    Regards.
     
  36. penkert

    penkert Network Guru Member

    Does the NAS200 use a standard version of Linux (i.e. not something like uClinux that would be a burdon for 3rd party firmware development)? Is there any 3rd party firmware development already on its way for the NAS200?

    @Toxic: How is the Synology CS407 in terms of 3rd party firmware expandability? I understand that even the stock firmware has a lot of very useful features right out of the box, but a 500 MHz processor and 128 MB RAM would leave a lot of room for additional tasks and customization.

    What I'm really looking for (or looking forward to) is an NAS-equivalent to what a WRT54G(S/L) running OpenWRT was (and still is) on the router market...
     

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