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Manual, wiki...

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by Etienne49, Dec 8, 2006.

  1. Etienne49

    Etienne49 Network Guru Member

    Hello,
    Is there any manual or wiki about tomato ? :rolleyes:
     
  2. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Hi,

    there is only the readme witch is included in the download !

    This is part of a email i wrote to Jon:
    ...Is a WiKi or FAQ section planned ? Or maybe a forum ? ....

    and he answered this:
    ...No wiki or faq. The closest would be the readme I guess. linksysinfo.org has
    a forum for it....


    der_Kief
     
  3. Etienne49

    Etienne49 Network Guru Member

    Does Jon plan to do it in the future, or may the community should do it ?
     
  4. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Hi,

    i think thats a job for the community :biggrin:

    der_Kief
     
  5. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    Why build a wiki when Wikipedia would be happy to have an article? I just started a "Tomato Firmware" article on Wikipedia, you can see it at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_firmware

    I've added some sections and a few bits of instruction, but obviously it needs a lot of work. :)
     
  6. Etienne49

    Etienne49 Network Guru Member

    Ok, I think that's a good start. :thumbup: Maybe it's a good way to pay my due to the community.:wink: Hum! I'll have to improve my english... :redface:
     
  7. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    Hmm, the Wiki may be short lived on Wikpedia. It has been classified as a "how to" and those are apparently not allowed on Wikipedia.

    (as I desperately cut and paste all the text I spent time entering, along with the contributions from others, and back it up to my hard drive)
     
  8. Reiper

    Reiper LI Guru Member

    Maybe Jon would let you post a wiki on polarcloud.com???
     
  9. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    That's one possibility. I can also post one on my own webspace - I'm not lacking in bandwidth or space. I just tried a shortcut, since I assumed Wikipedia wouldn't mind having an article out there. You know how a lot of shortcuts work out! LOL.
     
  10. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    @NateHoy

    Next backup please :biggrin:

    der_Kief
     
  11. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    I went ahead and extracted what I could from the Wiki, reformatted it, and dumped the result on my web space.

    http://www.randomelectrons.net/tomato.html

    This is NOT a Wiki. It's also not complete. I just didn't want to lose what we had so far.

    I have installed Wiki software on my webspace, I'm just reluctant to do so due to security concerns. So, for the moment, if anyone has any significant updates, please PM me via the forum. I'll be traveling next week, so I may not get back to you immediately.
     
  12. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    What about moving the "how-to" sections of the article to Wikibooks, as Wikipedia suggests?

    http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page

    Tomato should have an article on Wikipedia, but this should be a higher level description of the firmware, rather than a full set of instructions.
     
  13. Etienne49

    Etienne49 Network Guru Member

    I vote for Tievolu !
     
  14. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

  15. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

  16. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    Cool. I've removed the detailed instructions from the Wikipedia page, tidied up the external links, and added a Wikibooks tag.

    I may add some more information to the Wikipedia page if I have some time today.
     
  17. bokh

    bokh Network Guru Member

    This is a great initiative indeed! I've added a small part to this wiki, regarding the CIFS client. I hope to add some more some time later.
     
  18. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    Well, that didn't last long! The wikipedia article has been deleted as "extreme spam", and A7, G11, which corresponds to the following reasons:

    A7
    Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject.

    G11
    Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company, product, group or service as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion: an article that is blatant advertising should have inappropriate content as well. If a page has previously gone through deletion process and was not deleted, it should not be speedily deleted under this criterion.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Tomato_firmware
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Criteria

    Slightly irritating that this wasn't even up for discussion! I'm not sure how this was deemed spam or advertising - it was a simple description of the firmware, which is completely free...

    Anyway, the Wikibooks article is much more important I think, and that's intact. Personally I can't be bothered to start playing games with the editors by recreating the Wikipedia article.
     
  19. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    Wikipedia has their policies, which I was not aware of when I posted the original article. My bad, not theirs.

    It was up for discussion, and as the author I had the option of deleting the "non-encyclopedic" portions, but of course only the introduction was encyclopedic, so there was little point in trying to keep it.

    If I wasn't on the road, I might have done some edits to try and keep it, but my main focus was on getting the material we all worked on saved to Wikibooks.

    I've contacted the Wikipedia admin who deleted the article asking if it can be resurrected long enough for me to turn it into an encyclopedia article, similar to the one on DD-WRT. If not, no big deal. :)
     
  20. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    It's ok, the Wikipedia article has been recreated (actually by me - Cheesey is another name I sometimes go by...). The new article was also flagged for speedy deletion, for the same reasons as before, but I spotted it in time, disputed it, and now the article has been expanded and is doing well in true Wikpedia style. :)

    It seems that the speedy deletion happened simply because the editor(s) were not really aware of the nature of Tomato (they seemed to be under the impression that it was a commercial company that we were trying to advertise).
     
  21. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    Significantly expanded the Wikibooks article on Tomato this evening, adding content in the basic setup menus, and the Admin Access area. If anyone has any suggestions on what they might be interested in, I'll focus in those areas.
     
  22. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Hi @ All,

    i started to port the Wiki to the german Wikipedia.

    Tomato @ wikipedia.de
    Tomato @ wikibooks.de

    So now i need assistance in translate the Wiki into german. So feel free to help :biggrin:

    der_Kief
     
  23. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    Happy to. As long as the words are limited to "Volkswagen", "Yes", "No", a small smattering of other words of dubious accuracy, and a few select swear words and insults, I'm your man. :)
     
  24. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I'm a BAD translator i know but with this comment i have serious :biggrin: problems. Whats your message ?

    der_Kief
     
  25. NateHoy

    NateHoy Network Guru Member

    Sorry, it was intended as a joke. I know a few German words, limited mostly to "yes", "no", "Volkswagen", a few other words I think I know and may be wrong, and a few insults and swear words.

    So, if you need help translating any of those, I'd be able to help. Not really relevant to an instruction manual on Tomato, though (unless an upgrade goes badly, then the swear words might come in handy, but they aren't generally in the manuals. ;)
     
  26. t0m80

    t0m80 LI Guru Member

    I suppose you meant "ja" and "nein".:biggrin:

    Oh, and yes, I'm working on it too.
     
  27. GeeTek

    GeeTek Guest

    Kazoon Hight
     
  28. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Danke für Deine Hilfe.
    Es gibt viel zu tun, packen wirs an :biggrin:


    @ ALL
    Merry Christmas

    der_Kief
     
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    dvaskelis Network Guru Member

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    dvaskelis Network Guru Member

  31. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I'm curious about if the German Wikipedia is deleted (redirected) as well ?

    der_Kief
     

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