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Need suggestions for a router

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by backwoodsman, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. backwoodsman

    backwoodsman Addicted to LI Member

    Hi all,

    With Buffalo having discontinued the WHR-HP-G54, I have to find a new "standard" router. So I thought I'd see if anyone has any suggestions for a router that meets these requirements:

    * Runs Tomato.
    * True 2T2R/2x2 MIMO.
    * Detachable antennas.
    * Capable of at least 100mw transmit power.

    So, anyone got a suggestion?
    Thanks.
     
  2. mito

    mito LI Guru Member

    Hi Backwoods, go ahead with RT-N16, detachable antennaes and all the bells & whistles you want, transmit power at "0" Default goes great, plus impossible to brick it.
    Rgds.
    mito
     
  3. hgiurgiu

    hgiurgiu Networkin' Nut Member

    Unfortunately you have a very small range of options 0 from http://tomatousb.org/doc:build-type . If you want a modern gigabit LAN also you got only
    Asus RT-N16; Linksys WRT610Nv2 = E3000, E4200; Netgear WNR3500L. If you add "Detachable antennas" you have only Asus RT-N16.

    You may ask "why gigabit LAN"? I had a provider with 100 mbps connection so for my torrents I need a fast connection. Unfortunately a 100mbps router has a wan-to-lan at most 100mbps. If your provider will go up, you will be restricted by your router. You can look at http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/bar/74-wan-to-lan and you can see that the famous Linksys WRT54GL is in the bottom of the chart with only 53mbps. In the wireless charts are you can see that routers with internal antennas perform very well.

    If you study the charts you will notice that routers with tomato support are not the stars of performance. Some benchmarks even displayed performance loss http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanw...-can-dd-wrt-or-tomato-fix-bad-routing?start=2 (ex: Max. Simultaneous Connections).

    Some fast routers have openwrt support. At least Ubicom has switched the development to openwrt. Their IP8K chips are quite powerful http://www.ubicom.com/products/pdfs/IP8100_IP8200_Product_Brief_r12_PUB.pdf and here is a review for a router with this chip http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...-d-link-dir-827-hd-media-router-2000-reviewed

    A cheap but smart router is TP-LINK TL-WR1043ND with Atheros AR9132 (400 Mhz MIPS Architecture) chip http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...d-ultimate-wireless-n-gigabit-router-reviewed with openwrt firmware - here is what you can do with openwrt firmware http://knowhow.bart.prokop.name/install/openwrt/wr1043nd. A new openwrt release was posted in December 2011 so this firmware is active. DD-WRT has a slow interface it was something a few years ago but now openwrt is has wider modern router support.

    Conclusion: I have a WRT54GL v1.1 with tomatoUSB 1.28.7626.1 and I use VLANs and I'm very happy for using it for my clients. But after I noticed the poor performance of those routers (WRT54GL, Asus WL500gP v1 and v2) I realized that "I bet on an old horse". Openwrt is the new "Horse".
     
  4. backwoodsman

    backwoodsman Addicted to LI Member

    Guys, thanks for the replies. Sorry for the slow response; been sidetracked by other matters.

    I'm not going to be asking that any time soon. :) That kind of speed isn't available anywhere near here.


    Most of the time I need to use either much larger omnis or directional antennas, so I really do need external detachable antennas.


    hmm, that test is almost 4 years old. DD-WRT and Tomato have both changed a lot since then.

    That one looks interesting, thanks. But it's Atheros based, so won't run Tomato, correct? Some places I need to run DD-WRT anyway, but ideally I'd like to find one router that will work everywhere, instead of needing 2 or 3 different ones for different tasks.

    Looks good, but quite expensive. The RT-N12 is much less expensive, but doesn't say MIMO. But do I understand correctly that any 11N 300mbps router is doing 2x2 MIMO? Maybe I need to get one to test.

    Does anyone know the max. transmit power for the RT-N16 and RT-N12?

    By the way, I need MIMO to go through trees. Lots of those around here, many of them rather inconveniently located.
     
  5. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Essentially, as you've noticed, any reviews of a router that use the OEM firmware are completely useless, once you run another firmware on it, it isn't the same router any more. So just look at the hardware. And you'll probably end up with the RT-N16 at the moment.

    Max tx power on RT-N16 is is the same as all other routers using the same PA chip 250mW. Here are some relevant posts:

    http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/asus-rt-n16-transmit-power.33078/#post-163118
    http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.ph...ransmitter-power-overclocking-and-more.30182/
     
  6. 777Braveheart

    777Braveheart Networkin' Nut Member

    Hi,

    I had the WHR-HP-G54 as well. Yesterday I purchased an RT-N12 b1 and loaded Shibby's build: tomato-K26-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-083V-IPv6-VPN.trx build last night. So far so good. It is performing well and transmitting as far as my WHR-HP-G54 did. I did not seem to find a Toastman build for it. I'm sure I searched incorrectly.

    I have it set to 60 for transmit power though. I'm not sure I want to try 100 yet. I have a couple unanswered questions for Shibby in the thread: http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/lets-talk-about-the-new-asus-rt-n12-b1.35573/. Other than that I am quite pleased with it. Also, I believe it does support 2T2R.
     
  7. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Thanks to Shibby, who added it to the database, the latest RT-N builds should now support that router. Let us know how you find it!
     
  8. marshcroft

    marshcroft Networkin' Nut Member

  9. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Be very careful when you are ordering or using these mod kits that you really find out what you're buying. The advertisements I've seen for these antennas don't make it clear even what BAND they are supposed to work on. Read the various forums first, you'll find often that they are connected to the 5GHz section of the routers, but may not even be 5GHz antennas. Check first.

    http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewto...start=15&sid=2acf67c93ece00033b3e87ed911e7704

    But don't take everything you read literally, cos a lot of it is nonsense.

    Most of these antennas are coaxial dipoles or coaxial stacked vertical collinear arrays. The gain and feed point impedance is quite different for the two bands and hence they can only be used for the band they were designed for. Of all the antennas in the shops that I've seen, none of them were labelled with the band, but actually all of them were designed for 2.4GHz. The 7dBi claim is usually also somewhat exaggerated :) A few antennas I've seen are fakes, they just have a bit of wire inside them of random length. As you'll see if you google these mod kits, most people have been disappointed with the results.

    For use with either band as suggested by some of those posters, it needs to be explicitly stated that an antenna is DUAL-BAND. There aren't any available over here.
     
  10. 777Braveheart

    777Braveheart Networkin' Nut Member

    Does that mean all of your builds labelled RT/RT-N support the RT-N12 also? Not sure I followed what you were saying. By the way... do you know what the best transmit power range would be for that one? I'm using the 60 you suggested for the N16 but not sure.
     
  11. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    Only RT-N (new broadcom driver) supports rt-n12 B1.
    I see toastman added support for this router 2 days ago.

    @Toast - you should remove support for RT-N10U and 12B1 from RT branch and let it only in RT-N. Old driver was not support those routers.
     
  12. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Yes, that's true, there's no reason for it to be there. Thanks!
     
  13. 777Braveheart

    777Braveheart Networkin' Nut Member

    Hi Toastman,

    So if I am reading right... If I want to use your firmware I would download this one for my RT-N12B1: tomato-K26-1.28.2494MIPSR2-Toastman-VLAN-RT-N-VPN?
    Will yours give me the ability in the gui to add a guest/virtual SSID?
     
  14. 777Braveheart

    777Braveheart Networkin' Nut Member

    Thanks Shibby!

    I noticed in your fimware that the transmission rate is defaulted to "Auto". The available selections go to a max of 54. I thought this router would have higher options since it is n. Am I wrong?
     
  15. 777Braveheart

    777Braveheart Networkin' Nut Member

    To Shibby and Toastman,

    I know you guys hear a lot of complaints. I just wanted to say thanks for keeping Tomato in play and for all of the work you have done. Myself and the many folks I have persuaded to use your firmware are very very grateful.
     
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  16. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    777BH - Yes, that's right.

    There isn't a GUI for the guest ID yet, the support glue is there, but you have to set up by command line. There's a GUI in the pipeline from Augusto, but you'll have to wait for it :)
     
  17. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    indeed, but i think this option is only for G mode. If you want use N, you have to leave Auto.

    Thank you :)
     
  18. 777Braveheart

    777Braveheart Networkin' Nut Member

    Shibby,
    Which DL is the one I want of yours for an RT-N16. I bought one of those yesterday. :)
     
  19. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

  20. shadowken

    shadowken Networkin' Nut Member

    Which tomato firmware can i use for linksys WRT54GH ?
     
  21. eahm

    eahm LI Guru Member

    None, the chipset is not compatible: Ralink RT3050
     

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