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New user here. Need help on choosing the correct build.

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by CoolKarma, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. CoolKarma

    CoolKarma Network Newbie Member

    Hi everyone.

    I'm having a difficult time on finding the right build of Tomato to use for my router.

    I have the RT-N66U

    According to the router list at Shibby's site:

    tomato.groov.pl/?page_id=69

    It says I could use both K26RT-N or K26RT-AC.

    So checking through the downloads page I find these:

    K26RT-N
    tomato.groov.pl/download/K26RT-N/build5x-138-MultiWAN/Asus%20RT-N66u%2064k/tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-138-AIO-64K.zip

    K26RT-AC
    tomato.groov.pl/download/K26RT-AC/138-MultiWAN/tomato-RT-N66U_RT-AC6x--138-AIO-64K.zip

    I'm guessing either one of these are correct?

    But what's the difference between them? Is one better than the other for my RT-N66U?

    I also want to try Toastman's mod, but I have no idea which Toastman build is the one I need for the RT-N66U

    Can anyone help me out?

    Thank you.
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2017
  2. Sean B.

    Sean B. Addicted to LI Member

    N and AC are in reference to the wireless driver used in the build ( and the support of Wireless N and AC 802.11 protocols ). Both builds will function on your router, however at the hardware level the RT-N66U was designed to support Wireless N and not the faster AC.. so your mileage may vary when using the AC build ( wireless performance may be worse, better, or no different than the N build ).

    Unless I'm overlooking it, I don't see an N build for the RT-N66U on Toastmans site oddly enough. But there is an AC build for it: https://www.4shared.com/file/zbkGxsoRce/tomato-RT-N66U_05115Toastman-R.html
     
  3. CoolKarma

    CoolKarma Network Newbie Member

    Thanks Sean

    Yeah I'm thinking it's safer to stay with RT-N in that case. I don't think I have any AC capable devices anyway so probably no benefit to me. But it's cool to know I'd have this option in the future if I'd need AC.

    For the Toastman one, it's odd that there is only the AC though. The thing I like about Toastman is that it seems to have less features which is what I like. The Shibby AIO has so many features that I wouldn't ever need so I wonder if it uses up resources for no reason or something.

    But I see there are two versions in the N66U folder:

    tomato.groov.pl/download/K26RT-N/build5x-138-MultiWAN/Asus%20RT-N66u%2064k/
    tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-138-AIO-64K.zip (21MB)
    tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-138-VPN-64K.zip (8MB)

    I wonder if the VPN build is better suited for me?

    I only need the basic everyday router features, plus NTFS for the usb attached drive that I plan on adding to it. Really that's all I need. Would the VPN build be better off? I don't know if it has NTFS because I can't find any information about the difference between AIO and VPN.
     
  4. Sean B.

    Sean B. Addicted to LI Member

    You're welcome.

    I've only run Toastman builds so I'm not completely sure what all extra stuff Shibby puts in which builds.
    However: A) Going by the size of the VPN I'd say it's likely close to the feature set of Toastmans builds
    B) If the build supports USB then it's safe to say it supports NTFS ( via checkbox option in the
    "USB and NAS" section of the GUI ).
     
  5. M_ars

    M_ars Network Guru Member

    You should be fine with the vpn build. It has support for ntfs
     
  6. Sean B.

    Sean B. Addicted to LI Member

  7. CoolKarma

    CoolKarma Network Newbie Member

    M_ars thanks a lot for clearing that up.

    And awesome job finding that info Sean.

    I'm going to have some fun this weekend testing out both of these Toastman and Shibby mods on my N66U to see which one I like the most. In my head I'm leaning towards Toastman just because of the lighter weight.

    Doing some more searching I found an old post by Toastman warning about not using NVRAM64k on the N66U:

    See post #32 in this topic:
    http://linksysinfo.org/index.php?th...reless-n900-gigabit-router.36959/#post-180667

    So would it be safer to use this one:

    tomato-K26USB-1.28.0510.9MIPSR2Toastman-RT-N-VPN.trx

    instead of this one:

    tomato-K26USB-NVRAM64K-1.28.0510.9MIPSR2Toastman-RT-N-VPN.trx

    With that being said, the Shibby one is made for specifically the N66U and even has NVRAM64k. And reading further I found that Shibby made some kind of tests about it:

    http://linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/asus-rt-n66u-low-nvram.37500/#post-185097

    So I wonder if with the Toastman one I should use the non-64k and then with Shibby to use the 64k. Or maybe that Toastman warning is just an old outdated post and no longer relevant to the Toastman releases we have today?

    I just don't wanna try anything that might brick my router. But this weekend I'm definitely doing something haha.. so wish me luck!
     
  8. Sortec

    Sortec Connected Client Member

    The N-66 is a good unit. However, depending on your network size, number of attached devices, your connection level and expected throughput, it may be a limiting factor on your network.

    I know from personal experience. I had the N-66 for several years. My ISP then offered a speed upgrade up to 200 mbs (comcast/xfinity). I noticed that I was not getting near that. As it turns out, the wan to lan speed of the N-66 was my choke point. I have since upgraded to the netgear R7000 and network performance matches advertised speeds. Check out smallnetbuilder.com for comparisons of different models.
     
  9. M_ars

    M_ars Network Guru Member

    Asus RT-N66U has 64k NVRAM support - please use that version
     
  10. CoolKarma

    CoolKarma Network Newbie Member

    Awesome! Thanks for the help. I'm going to play with these two over the weekend:

    Shibby: tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-138-VPN-64K
    Toastman: tomato-K26USB-NVRAM64K-1.28.0510.9MIPSR2Toastman-RT-N-VPN

    I shall report back here about my decision.

    @Sortec Thanks for the advice but for now the N66U is more than enough for me and upgrading my internet or router is not in my budget currently. Maybe later on down the road though.
     
  11. pomidor1

    pomidor1 Reformed Router Member

    I would propose if you do not need to multiwan 132 shhiby aio, a 138 error vlan
     
  12. M_ars

    M_ars Network Guru Member

    if you try Toastman, you can download the latest one :)
    --> its 1.28.0511.5
    have a look
    https://www.4shared.com/folder/Z3c4...?detailView=false&sortAsc=true&sortsMode=NAME
     
  13. CoolKarma

    CoolKarma Network Newbie Member

    Good points! So I'm going to go with the latest version for Toastman and the older Shibby version without the multiwan feature because I definitely don't need multiwan and I worry about features like that because they are big changes and I like keeping things simple.

    So it's going to be between:

    Shibby: tomato-K26USB-1.28.RT-N5x-MIPSR2-132-VPN-64K
    Toastman: tomato-K26USB-NVRAM64K-1.28.0511.5MIPSR2Toastman-RT-N-VPN

    I'll report back after I test them both out. Thanks everyone!
     
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  14. CoolKarma

    CoolKarma Network Newbie Member

    Got Tomato up and running and after testing between the two I've decided to go with Toastman afterall.

    I will say this. Both are nearly identical in terms of the features that I looked at. Keep in mind I was not using the Shibby AIO but instead the smaller VPN build which has less features and is more to my liking. Except one glaring difference is that Shibby has the TomatoAnon thing and even though I can disable it, it's still annoying to see it listed there when going through the settings and stuff.

    Plus if I had gone with Shibby I wouldn't be able to get future updates without getting the MultiWan feature which I don't really want. So if there would be a good reason to upgrade in the future I'd be hesitant.

    For solely those reasons is why I went with Toastman.

    The one benefit of Shibby that I liked is that there is a specific build for the N66U while with Toastman there is only the generic build. I'm not sure how much it matters, if at all.

    Also, from what I've read, I think Shibby actually had a N66U for testing or at least had someone who was testing for him. Either way it sounds like his build was tested thoroughly with the N66U and probably optimized for it while I'm not sure I can say the same for Toastman.

    So that's one positive that I could say Shibby has over the Toastman build specifically for the N66U. But I've settled on Toastman at least for now. So far no issues and it does what I need it to do so that's all that matters.

    Thanks to all who helped me. I hope this thread can help others in the future.
     
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