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New Victek releases

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by mpegmaster, Jul 2, 2009.

  1. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    "Whiners get out"

    Sopmod I'm tired of your intolerance towards whining. It makes me sick that you can't appreciate these peoples perspectives. Just because you can't step outside yourself to understand their point of view doesn't give you the right to condemn them. I'm seriously considering starting a thread about a Sopmod v1.1 release where all the whiners can make feature requests.

    Whiners unite!
     
  2. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Thanks for clearing that up

    "I'm just sick of the idiots"

    Ah, but you aren't condemning anyone. I see.
     
  3. darthboy

    darthboy LI Guru Member

    What's the prize for winning an argument on the Internet?
     
  4. QSxx

    QSxx LI Guru Member

  5. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    One free bump
     
  6. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    This bump is gonna cost you.
     
  7. rhester72

    rhester72 Network Guru Member

    Please, for the love of God, unsticky and close this thread :p

    Rodney
     
  8. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    Only after you finish your vegetables. Or Vic finishes the latest version.
     
  9. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Please, for the love of God fix the centering of text when using IE8......
     
  10. RonWessels

    RonWessels Network Guru Member

    Uh, what about those of us that are atheists?
     
  11. kabar

    kabar Addicted to LI Member

    "God is dead" - Nietzsche
    "Nietzsche is dead" - God
     
  12. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    Message to the forum administrator. Please delete the posts not belonging to the subject ... working.

    Thank you!
     
  13. QSxx

    QSxx LI Guru Member

    All hail Victek?

    Come on folks... where are you now... guy needs some moral support (and other kinds prolly too)!
     
  14. Falken

    Falken Networkin' Nut Member

    Hi Victek :)
    I'm very pleased to hear that you are working on a new release.
    I have a couple of questions, are you working on a 1.28 based release ?
    and second, are you working on a release for the newer routers like
    the WNR3500L ?

    I think It would take a lot of time for the administrator to clean this thread up but I couldn't agree more. :wink:
     
  15. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    Volunteering sexual support services.
     
  16. kabar

    kabar Addicted to LI Member

    good to see You Vic!
     
  17. Azuse

    Azuse LI Guru Member

    Fuelling the fire at someone else's expense :confused:
     
  18. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    No new thread till you release an update!
     
  19. Sopmod

    Sopmod Network Guru Member

    No Victek is merely asking for all the off topic posts to be removed from this thread which is about his 1.25 firmware.
     
  20. ymm123

    ymm123 Addicted to LI Member

    I love Victek's 1.25 release! (i have a WRT54GL)
    I confess, I am a cheater... i tried almost all 3rd party firmwares many times.
    I don't want to rush the publisher to work on a new release but I would be happy to hear if he is still around and hear from him if he still works on 54g broadcom platform or some newer "N standard" chipsets.
     
  21. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Official Tomato 1.28 released. Possibly a new RAF soon? *crosses fingers*

    It's been almost a year since Vic's last release (Jul 24, 2009)

    Any news vic??
     
  22. FattysGoneWild

    FattysGoneWild LI Guru Member

    I miss the new releases myself. Hope fully we will get some thing in the near future.
     
  23. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    Yes!!!! Since 1.28 is out then I go! .. :)
     
  24. chinawrj

    chinawrj Addicted to LI Member

    sp!I'm sorry. My english is so poor......
     
  25. FattysGoneWild

    FattysGoneWild LI Guru Member

    Are you leaving Victek? :eek::confused: Or are you starting up again now that 1.28 is out? :eek::biggrin:

     
  26. LanceMoreland

    LanceMoreland Network Guru Member

    I read that to mean that, now that 1.28 was out, Victek would compile a 1.28 version of RAF. At least I hope that is what he meant.
     
  27. Sopmod

    Sopmod Network Guru Member

    All I can say is the quality of work from the developers of Tomato vanilla and mods is FANTASTIC.

    I for one am in awe of the skills devs have and really appreciate your efforts.
     
  28. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    That's excellent news Victek. Many thanks. I'm looking forward to the new version.
     
  29. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    I don't understand - vic hasnt released a 1.28 version... does this mean hes quiting now? Does it mean be intends to update using 1.28 and THEN quit?

    Grammar!
     
  30. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    The way I read it, now the official 1.28 version is out, he's starting work on 1.28RAF
     
  31. jdub8

    jdub8 Addicted to LI Member

    Oh.

    There were quiet a few things changed in 1.26... but w/e, lookin foward to a new version!
     
  32. bym007

    bym007 Addicted to LI Member

    [Puts FLAME suit on]

    Whats the difference between "official Tomato ND" and "Victek's Tomato ND"?
    From the GUI, I could only note the addition of IP/MAC BW Limiter and CPU overclocking.


    Are there any performance enhancements in this?
    Would love to try it on my Buffalo WHR G-125.
     
  33. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

  34. bym007

    bym007 Addicted to LI Member

  35. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Has anyone heard anything about Tomato 1.28?
     
  36. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    AFAIK we're waiting for Vic to release a new RAF based on 1.28. Hopefully soon....Vic?
     
  37. bym007

    bym007 Addicted to LI Member

    Either he is too busy working on it :biggrin:, or too busy with something else :eek:
     
  38. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Could be. Both of those reasons have gotten kinda old and worn out though.
     
  39. RonWessels

    RonWessels Network Guru Member

    To reiterate a point that I made earlier in this thread...
    Then nothing until ...
    Then nothing until ...
    It is now 07-21-2010 with nothing yet.

    While Victek's software has been stellar, his management of expectations has been exceptionally poor.
     
  40. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    Maybe, just maybe, he has other obligations and is fitting the tomato development around his real job. This isn't business software, he's not getting paid for it and he's doing it voluntarily. Our expectations should be zilch. If it arrives, it arrives. I for one have admiration and praise for what he's produced already but I don't expect or demand future development especially when there's no remuneration for himself. Three weeks has passed since his commitment to producing a version based on the now final 1.28 version. That's not long to specify the changes, do the development, test, pass to beta-testers, get feedback, fix any problems, test, pass to beta-testers again etc. It must be demoralising to see all the negative comments in this thread which don't offer any positive encouragement. I just hope he ignores these comments and has enough drive left to produce a 1.28RAF which I'm sure we'll all rave about when it's released.
     
  41. gingernut

    gingernut LI Guru Member

    Victek sometime isn't very communicative and has put out some timelines and not, for some reason or another, been able to meet. Many of us, me included, would love for an update from him on what to expect from his RAF project.

    What I do know is that he is a moderator on a Spanish forum an dedicates quite a bit of his free time helping out people over there.

    We all need to be patient and stop bumping this thread nagging like small children because it does become a little tedious.
     
  42. dkirk

    dkirk Network Guru Member

    Spot on!

    A great posting. There is nothing I could add to that posting which would further clarify my feelings. I'm embarrassed to read some of the comments here as they sound childish sometimes. If he delivers another build, great, if he doesn't we'll have the satisfaction of using the best there ever was with 1.25. Victek doesn't owe us anything yet some here must incorrectly feel that way.
     
  43. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "they sound childish sometimes"

    It is childish to ask for respectful communication?
     
  44. bym007

    bym007 Addicted to LI Member

    Its childish to ask for exactly same information, when someone else has already done so!
     
  45. tstrike2000

    tstrike2000 Network Guru Member

    Awesome

    Victek's 1.25 RAF has been the most stable firmware by a wide margin that I've ever used. HyperWRT, stock Tomato, and other Tomato variants were and are great firmwares, of course, but Victek's 1.25 has been running on my router for 130 days the first time and now for 160 days. After 130 days (approximately) we had a power outage over night, so it should've been a lot longer the first time. The combination of tweaks and ND wireless driver used have been nothing short of awesome.
     
  46. Dashiell

    Dashiell Network Guru Member

    100% correct. So correct, in fact, that it is very likely the reason why everyone is so anxious for a 1.28 version from Victek and (dare it be said?) a version for RT-N16s.
     
  47. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    So being impatient for Vic to release a new RAF, about 2 days ago I decided to give teddy bear's Tomato MIPSR1 Linux 2.6 build (non-USB version) a try on my WRT54G-TM, just to see how it ran and what features it had (and of course I wiped NVRAM before and after flashing). I immediately noticed that I could not find an option to overclock my WRT from the GUI (maybe I was just looking in the wrong place, but I couldn't find it, I overclock mine to 250 MHz with active cooling). I also noticed that I couldn't find speedmod anywhere in the changelog, features list, or GUI. The default setting for number of connections in RAF is 8192, while in teddy bear's it's only 4096, which leads me to believe speedmod is not implemented in teddy bear's build. I also noticed websites to take slightly longer to respond/load with teddy bear's build. Also the GUI theme Absolon is not included in teddy bear's build (at least the one I used).

    Needless to say, I flashed back to Vic's RAF 1.25 and everything was right in the world again. I'm highly anticipating what's in store for the next version!
     
  48. Dashiell

    Dashiell Network Guru Member

    Perhaps a Donation?

    I've donated $ to Victek a few times, whatever I could spare at that moment. Perhaps Victek could use a small collection for equipment or time?

    I know I would love a Tomato RAF 1.28 for both my Linksys WRT54-TM and the Asus RT-N16! I'm sure others would also... maybe Vic just doesn't have what he "needs (?)"
     
  49. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "Perhaps Victek could use a small collection for equipment or time?"

    Made contributions myself. Problem now and the impact of no communication is why would I want to put money into a black hole? The lack of communication that has been an on-going issue for months now makes it so there is no way I'd send any money for Tomato firmware. Why would I?

    Currently we have no idea if there will even be a 1.28 despite respectfully asking and hoping for some kind of details.
     
  50. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    I have to agree. While I have no problem with Vic having a life and taking a long time to complete the next version of RAF, more frequent updates (to this thread) as to its progress would be nice.
     
  51. FattysGoneWild

    FattysGoneWild LI Guru Member

    Victek use to always be responsive and keep people up to date. Don't know what happened. :/
     
  52. RonWessels

    RonWessels Network Guru Member

    It's not even more frequent updates. The issue is lack of delivery on stated schedules. If he needs more time because of other commitments (this is a volunteer effort after all), I personally would post and explain the revised timetable if it were me. That's only polite.

    The purpose of my previous message is to point out that what we have now is: "I promise X by Date1" with Date1 coming and going with no X, followed by "I promise X by Date2" with Date2 coming and going with no X. I'm sorry, but any further promises of X will be taken with a large grain of salt. Does he "owe" it to us? Of course not! Volunteer effort, remember? But it's only polite to follow through on stated commitments, even though voluntary, even if only to inform that he cannot keep them.
     
  53. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "That's only polite."

    The lack of simple and quick communication is difficult to explain.
     
  54. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    Your repetition of the same point is also difficult to explain :sheesh:
    (At least it's keeping the Victek thread active; so it has one positive)
     
  55. landa

    landa LI Guru Member

    I agree with RonWessels. Victek is not forced to update the firmware that works perfectly, but it is not right to play with us for more than six months.
     
  56. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    Well move on to one of the other variants of 1.28. If you feel 6 months without a positive response from the author is too long to wait then move on. I've tried the "Tomato ND USB Mod with kernel 2.6" for my Buffalo WHR-G54S and it seems to work fine. OK, some of the features from the RAF version are missing - but we'll always have RAF 1.25.8515.2 ND. :)
     
  57. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Thanks for your consistent negative comments badder.

    Somehow you continue, as you have in previous posts, to fail to get the point.
     
  58. RonWessels

    RonWessels Network Guru Member

    Because, as your subsequent post illustrates, some people still don't get the point that I (and others) are making. Please re-read my post with the idea that (a) I am not criticizing the firmware (quite the opposite), and (b) I am not criticizing Victek for not producing a 1.28 variant (see "volunteer effort"). I am criticizing Victek for not doing what he said he would do, multiple times at that.
     
  59. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    I do get your point (I think) - Victek should say whether he's going to do further development and should say so on this forum. I just wouldn't hold anything against him if he doesn't. I don't intend to come across as negative and apologise if I have. I just have a different opinion and voiced it.
     
  60. RonWessels

    RonWessels Network Guru Member

    Not quite. Victek has no obligation to let us know what future work he plans to do. However, he has said that he plans to do further development, but then apparently has yet to follow through.
    And if Victek had simply remained silent about future development, or if he comes out and says that other responsibilities prevent him from further work on Tomato RAF, I would be right up there criticizing anyone who complained about it - the whole "volunteer effort" thing. As would most everyone else in this thread. There's a huge difference between a polite inquiry of "Victek, are you planning on upgrading your mod to 1.28" versus an arrogant "Victek, you owe us a 1.28 version of your mod".
     
  61. bym007

    bym007 Addicted to LI Member

    This is a free economy (free speech as such), and no one is forcing you to wait for Victek's firmware. If you dont like what you see here, then its better for your sake to move on to another "realistic" option, where the author delivers on time.

    Having said that, I have got used to the "waiting time" before any "imminent release" of a firmware. More often than not, the authors fail to deliver on time scale, since these are not commercial products, without much financial gain for the author for the time and effort invested.

    I have stated this in good faith and I believe you will take in a similar fashion too.
     
  62. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    There's a huge difference between a polite inquiry of "Victek, are you planning on upgrading your mod to 1.28" versus an arrogant "Victek, you owe us a 1.28 version of your mod".

    Yep. And I dare say most if not all of us have asked politely for simple respectful communication.

    Interesting how that gets some folks panties in a wad though.
     
  63. biatche

    biatche Network Guru Member

    would be better if victek states whether this project is still active and what he's actually doing... if he isn't doing anything about this, because of all kinda reasons, people can make a decision here... to move on... or use an old version. better than keeping us guessing right
     
  64. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    No! don't wait - just move on - nothing to see here. No need to wait for teacher to say stay or leave; make your own decision on what's available now. This thread is titled "Victek RAF Releases 1.25" not "Victek RAF Release 1.28. Where is it?". Maybe certain contributors here would like to start this new thread. :)
     
  65. landa

    landa LI Guru Member

    I will pray, do not write those unnecessary comments on this topic. Every time I see this topic with new posts, I think Victek launched the new version. You give me palpitations! When it opens, I see only contradictions!
     
  66. Badders44

    Badders44 LI Guru Member

    OK landa - you're right - it gets me excited to. I'll leave off the comments from now on.
     
  67. FattysGoneWild

    FattysGoneWild LI Guru Member

    Victek's site is down.
     
  68. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Would bet we will not see a 1.28 RAF. Which really is ok. Projects like this one have a life span. I continue to be baffled by the lack of simple respect honest communication illustrates.

    I don't understand not having any word at all.
     
  69. gfunk

    gfunk LI Guru Member

  70. LanceMoreland

    LanceMoreland Network Guru Member

    Thanks for the link. I downloaded the ND version in case I ever want to go back to it. I have however since moved on to Ver 1.28 and perform the tweaks that I liked in Victek's version by command line.
     
  71. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    I have RAF mod's back to 1.19 up to current 1.25's if you need them.
     
  72. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    The last time we heard from Vic (in this thread anyway), was June 29th, which was a little over a month and a half ago as of this posting. Absolute silence since then. Not only that, all he said was "Yes!!!! Since 1.28 is out then I go! .. " Which either means one of the 2 following:

    "Yes!!! Now that 1.28 is out I can go make a RAF out of this version!"

    "Yes!!! Now that 1.28 is out I can finally leave the scene forever and never respond again!"

    I'm starting to think the latter is true. Oh well. We had a good run. (Prove me wrong Vic!)
     
  73. Dashiell

    Dashiell Network Guru Member

    Yes, Vic, please prove us wrong!

    With a masterpiece like this (1.25.8515.2),

    Time Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:06:02 -0400
    Uptime 213 days, 17:40:01
    CPU Load (1 / 5 / 15 mins) 0.00 / 0.00 / 0.00
    Total / Free Memory 14.14 MB / 7,200.00 KB (49.74%)
    CPU Frequency (MHz) 250


    it's hard to let go!
     
  74. ecli

    ecli LI Guru Member

    Just be patient guys, a couple days ago Victek said that he's testing a 1.28 firmware with captive portal and multilanguage support...

    http://www.adslzone.net/postp1755502.html#1755502
     
  75. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Well that's good news. I guess there is light at the end of the tunnel after all! I just wonder why he doesn't update is here on linksysinfo :p
     
  76. Cynsick

    Cynsick Addicted to LI Member


    Well his native language is Spanish it seems, so he may not be as comfortable here. Also from that forum.

    "Sigue sin funcionar.. sistema caído, disco duro roto y sin copia de seguridad... tomará unos días. "

    Someone asked him about his site being down. He says it's still not working, the system is down, the harddrive is broken and there's no backup copy, it'll take a few days.

    That was from Sunday Aug 15. Also in that same thread it seems that he does have a test version of his 1.28. Maybe he lost his own harddrive and doesn't have the link to this forum anymore or his username/pw. I think the CAPTCHA system here is broken for retrieving a lost PW. I know I tried 8+ times to retrieve mine to post this, until I gave up and guessed my Username/pw.
     
  77. ecnav

    ecnav Networkin' Nut Member

    Can someone give me a link for Tomato 1.25 w/ Victek Mod? His site is down. I'm planning to flash a WRT54GL and it currently has Tomato 1.28 (no mods).

    Thank you.
     
  78. WRobertE

    WRobertE Addicted to LI Member

  79. ecnav

    ecnav Networkin' Nut Member

    Thank you WRobertE. I will flash it as soon as I get the chance. Tomato seems superior over DD-WRT due to DD-WRT being bulky. I upgraded to a WRT54GL after thinking my WRT54G v.5 (DDWRT) needed replacing. But it turned out that the culprit was a P2P program my uncle was using. But after seeing Tomato, I'm not disappointed that I bought the WRT54GL in vain.
     
  80. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "DD-WRT being bulky"

    Its also flakey and unstable in WDS mode and talk about non-intuitive for adding static dhcp leases. Tomato is way superior.
     
  81. ecnav

    ecnav Networkin' Nut Member

    Up and running. I did not use the ND version as WRobertE suggested though. It was just too easy to flash a BIN file directly from the GUI. The whole purpose of me getting this firmware is to handicap the wireless users anyways. So no new drivers for them =b
     
  82. WRobertE

    WRobertE Addicted to LI Member

    There's really no difference in the process of flashing between the ND and non-ND versions. The ND version just happens to have a .trx extension instead of a .bin extension. Either one will work on the GL.

    The ND version, particularly Victek's ND-based firmware, helps to correct problems when some Intel wireless cards, notably the 2200bg version, connect to the router. Using the ND version appears to eliminate periodic router instability, reboots, etc. related to the usage of those Intel wireless cards.

    Read this thread for more:
    http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63791

    In particular, read the post by Toastman. However, there have been many posts in this forum about the ND versus non-ND versions. You just have to search a little and then start reading.
     
  83. ecnav

    ecnav Networkin' Nut Member

    So I'm able to flash a TRX file directly from the GUI? I didn't find much easily assessible documentation regarding installing the VicTek modded version of Tomato. Though on the base version's site, it indicates that the BIN version was for the WRT54GL and the ND version was for other routers. The instructions there were to TFTP the TRX version. I'm not familiar with TFTP yet and took the easy way out.

    One comment about the Bandwidth Limiter though. My internet speed is 26/2. I limited a computer at 1/0.2. Now even though the limited client is not using the internet, my throughput is 25/1.8. So allocating that much to the wireless client is like giving up that much permanently. I'm fine with it anyhow.
     
  84. arafey

    arafey Addicted to LI Member

    EDIT: Never mind, someone already said that.
     
  85. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "So I'm able to flash a TRX file directly from the GUI?"

    Yes. You can even rename it to .bin and flash it that way.
     
  86. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    Hi guys, here are my words and status of Tomato.RAF

    a) I'm in holidays, yes, my first holidays since two year ago.
    b) I can't access my server to repair the http service, I'll do in 24 hour (I'm back home earlier).
    c) I have three Tomato.RAF version I have build during 'relax holidays', almost based in Tomato 1.28 k2.4.20, Tomato k2.4.37 & Tomato k2.6, but I did not tested (just got my netbook, trunks and beer)

    I have no intention to leave Tomato.RAF project for Linksys and Asus routers, but I have also other priorities in my life (I hope the same as most of you). GhaladReam ... Hello my dear! :)

    Thanks!
     
  87. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    Dos cervezas, por favor

    Cheers!

    Have a good break Victek
     
  88. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Lol.. now I feel special.. Vic referred to me as "dear"?? Nevertheless, good to hear from you Vic! Looking forward to your next release(s)!
     
  89. polilla

    polilla LI Guru Member

    Gracias Victek por una noticia tuya. La gente aqui han esperado mucho por saber algo de ti y de la nueva version 1.28 de tu mod.
    Thanks. With 1.28 of Victek i do install it.
     
  90. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    Most of people in this forum is 'special' for something or not? hehehehe..
     
  91. FattysGoneWild

    FattysGoneWild LI Guru Member

    Great news! Cant wait. "rubs hands together"
     
  92. Sopmod

    Sopmod Network Guru Member

    Victek,

    please let me apologies on behalf of those members who have been less than accommodating of your absence and 128 RAF progress updates.

    Hopefully they will say some supportive words also.

    I can't wait for 128 but as you say there are priorities in life.

    Cheers mate.
     
  93. peyton

    peyton LI Guru Member

    Good to see you're still alive !
     
  94. Cynsick

    Cynsick Addicted to LI Member

    Hrm, seems with those version numbers you're working on several different types of Linux kernals for 1.28. When you do release them I hope you will tell us what's the difference between a 2.4 and 2.6 Tomato kernal. Such as: is one faster, better than the other or really no difference. Thanks for all the work.
     
  95. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "members who have been less than accommodating"

    No one on this forum has been such.
     
  96. landa

    landa LI Guru Member

    Victek site is back on-line!!! Now waiting for an update...
     
  97. Sopmod

    Sopmod Network Guru Member

    Well I'll point the finger at you. You have acted like a Project manager and expected Victek to perform as a paid resource. To live up to your expectations of time lines, status updates and the like.

    Clearly as a volunteer effort Victek owes you, I or anyone else nothing. It seems from your posting if some Tomato Dev was dying of cancer you'd expect to be told they are ceasing work on the project to try to concentrate of their therapy.

    Sorry if I'm reading you wrong, but that's how it appears to me.

    Peace.
     
  98. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    "Well I'll point the finger at you. You have acted like a Project manager and expected Victek to perform as a paid resource."

    You'll need to put some evidence to that accusation sir. Cause you are full of it.

    Once again you have demonstrated you must have some kind of reading comprehension impairment.

    "Clearly as a volunteer"

    Actually some of us sent him money via paypal for his effort.

    Jim
     
  99. Sopmod

    Sopmod Network Guru Member

    Ah okay so donating money means you own the volunteer? New concept for me but hell if you say so. lol

    Nah just poking fun Jim. I can see your view point.
     
  100. rhester72

    rhester72 Network Guru Member

    It's worth noting that donations towards open-source efforts are generally regarded as recognition of _work already done_, not "payment" for future work. It's a means of showing appreciation - and yes, encouraging -possible- further effort, but there are no guarantees.

    It's also for this reason that every (F)OSS project I've worked on for the past ten years, I've absolutely refused donations of any kind whatsoever. It just leads to too many potential issues and bad blood with people.

    Rodney
     

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