Nothing compares to Tomato

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by Nathaniel Cowles, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Nathaniel Cowles

    Nathaniel Cowles Networkin' Nut Member

    I finally decided to try for a new firmware since Tomato seems to be at a dead end, and I have been playing with LEDE and Gargoyle, and I still want to keep Tomato but I am concerned about it's security. DD was not for me the last time I tried it. I am sure I'm not alone.
     
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  2. kille72

    kille72 LI Guru Member

    What kind of router do you have?
     
  3. Nathaniel Cowles

    Nathaniel Cowles Networkin' Nut Member

    Netgear WNDR4300 v1 or a TP-LINK Archer C7 v2. Currently my main gateway is an ASUS N-16.
     
  4. kille72

    kille72 LI Guru Member

    There is a chance that Shibby will release v141 for MIPS, do not ask when, it will come when it comes...Keep your fingers crossed, then there are more routers who get updated Tomato.
     
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  5. Nathaniel Cowles

    Nathaniel Cowles Networkin' Nut Member

    OK great, fingers crossed.
     
  6. schnappi

    schnappi Networkin' Nut Member

    Switched to a hardware solution running IPFire due to same security concerns. Agree nothing compares to Tomato but there are options.
     
  7. Nathaniel Cowles

    Nathaniel Cowles Networkin' Nut Member

    IPFire does look good and fun to play with but I need to stick with something that can be repowered and work, for others in my household.
     
  8. Justio

    Justio Networkin' Nut Member

    Indeed, and you are among those really helping tomato project keeping-it alive (thanks!)...unfortunately only for ARM devices :(
     
  9. Justio

    Justio Networkin' Nut Member

    Not alone ;)
     
  10. schnappi

    schnappi Networkin' Nut Member

    IPFire will work reliably but completely agree it is much more of a in depth option than Tomato. What is so great about Tomato is that one gets 90% of what a heavy lifter like IPFire offers with an arguably nicer and easier to use GUI in a simple consumer router.

    Of course the problem is the 2.4 kernel, unpatched DNSMasq exploits, old dropbear server (although old versions alone are certainly not the deal breaker it's mainly the exploits for a few of the old services), ect.

    Unfortunately no one has filled the shoes of Toastman or Shibby to keep old devices up to date but it is awesome that @kille72 is doing what can to keep Tomato alive on newer Arm devices!

    Wish could contribute but so few us who find Tomato useful actually have the knowledge combined with the dedication to do what Toastman and Shibby were doing.
     
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  11. kille72

    kille72 LI Guru Member

    Yes, kernel 2.4 is the problem, but we do as good as we can to patch it. We also use the newest versions of dnsmasq and dropbear in ARM builds right now ect...
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2018
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  12. pedro311

    pedro311 Networkin' Nut Member

    2.6.36.4 + a lot of modules updates in ARM ;)
     
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  13. cloneman

    cloneman Addicted to LI Member

    Dude you have no idea. I had to play with a Cisco ASA router recently, it's a current generation device costing 2,000$, and it has no support for traffic shaping at all , just policing. Nevermind fq_codel, fair-queue, or ingress shaping... not even close! It's actually a regression from some of their older models.

    It doesn't have nice graphs either and the entire platform is designed to have you spend money on consultants and licences.
     
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  14. xtacydima

    xtacydima LI Guru Member

    I switched to a Synology, it came the closest in terms of features I needed that Tomato lacked, and has more updates periodically. I tried many others, and even now with the Syno I still miss some Tomato features/options that lack in the Syno. I still use Tomato for certain setups for friends, family, and small SOHO scenarios.
     
  15. Ole Juul

    Ole Juul Networkin' Nut Member

    I've only ever used Tomato, but I've heard that other router firmware does not have traffic graphs. So how do they manage to monitor traffic - especially by IP? Or do they just forget about that and hope for the best.?
     
  16. Mr9v9

    Mr9v9 Serious Server Member

    How come you never looked at my post? I was very curious how it functions compared to Tomato but never got a reply?
     
  17. xtacydima

    xtacydima LI Guru Member

    sorry missed that, I will reply tonight with my likes and dislikes of each
     
  18. Monk E. Boy

    Monk E. Boy Network Guru Member

    Some just ignore the ability to monitor connections altogether, most expect you to buy a feature pack or additional software license in order to connect to the router and drag that information out of it into their software, which you have to pay them on an ongoing basis to keep using. I'm kind of including UTMs in "most" since they require an ongoing license to keep using due to the virus scanning and threat management requiring an active subscription to be effective, although they will show you graphs and logs and every other thing under the sun on the router provided you keep paying them that monthly/yearly fee.
     
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  19. schnappi

    schnappi Networkin' Nut Member

    IPFire has awesome indepth network usage graphs too. Wish knew what packages are utilized as it rivals and is better in some ways (and worse in some ways) than the way Tomato displays bandwidth data.

    Better in historical viewing of bandwidth with pie graphs showing TX versus RX and yearly totals better and showing active connections. Worse in that real time traffic does not have a graph (real time is displayed via text in GUI header) and no graphs for per IP usage.
     
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