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* Nude Cheerleaders * (Wireless signal through steel siding)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Anonymous, Feb 12, 2006.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Here is the equipment I bought a few months ago.

    WRT54G (v5) router with high-gain antennas
    WRE54G (v2) range expander
    WVC54G wireless web cam

    I have the router installed by a window in my house. The pole barn that I am building is around 225 feet away from that window. A few months ago when I bought all of this I still did not have the steel siding installed on my barn. The range expander worked great and I was able to use the wireless security camera in the barn without many problems.

    Now that I am almost done installing all of the steel siding on my pole barn I can only get the range expander to work if the garage door is open.

    Is there some other piece of equipment that I can buy to receive the weak wireless signal outside of the barn and send (and boost) that signal inside the barn? I would prefer to just be able to mount an antenna outside the barn, but I am willing to mount the whole device outside if I have to.

    Please point me in the right direction, I really miss having the wireless signal down there. Like I said before, without the steel siding on the walls I had great luck with the range expander. It took that weak signal and strengthened it enough to where I could use my wireless PDA another 150 feet away from the barn which is almost 400 feet away from the original router in the house.

    Thanks
     
  2. howardp6

    howardp6 Network Guru Member

    You can get a WAP54G not a WAP54GX and use it in access point client mode or bridge mode with a directional external antenna. The probem is that the steel siding acts a faraday cage effectively blocking all transmission and receipt of EM waves. An alternative is to get another WRT54G not a version 5 and to use third party firmware and use WDS with a directional external antenna.
     
  3. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Thanks for getting me started in a direction. First off, If I buy a WAP54G is there a certain version to look for or stay away from? On the "directional external antenna", I don't see anything like that listed on Linksys' website. All I see are their high-gain antennas and antenna stands. I am assuming that I would need to buy some sort of flexible cable to connect from the antenna to the WAP, can you point me in a direction for that as well or would those cables come with the antenna stands?

    So if I get a WAP54G and somehow connect to some type of external antenna then I will be able to bring the wireless signal from outside into the building, but it will no longer be a wireless signal right? I would then either have to plug my wireless security camera into the WAP via an ethernet cable or hook another device up to the WAP to convert the signal to wireless again? I would prefer to have a wireless signal in the barn so I could use my PDA easily.
     
  4. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Here is a probably stupid idea I just thought of. What if I bought the WAP54G and only put one of the antennas outside of the barn while still leaving one antenna inside? Would one external antenna be enough to grab the wireless signal from the house? Would having only one antenna inside the barn (still connected to the WAP) give me a wireless signal inside the barn without the need for yet another additional device?

    In other words having an WAP with one of it's antennas outside and one antenna inside. Would that work for sending and receiving a wireless signal both inside and outside?
     
  5. howardp6

    howardp6 Network Guru Member

    Hawking and DLink sell directional external antennas. You have to get a cable with a R-TNA connector. As for the signal inside the barn you have to set up an another WRT54G or a WAP54G as a access point. I would have recommended the WET54G instead of the WAP54G, but the cost is prohibitive. Look at the costs and pick a setup that will give you what you want at mininum costs. The WRT54G not the version 5.0 with WDS is usually cheaper that a WAP54G, but then you have to setup WDS.
     
  6. howardp6

    howardp6 Network Guru Member

    The problem is that the WAP54G does not send and transmit on both antennas. As a suggestion do not use the nude cheerleader again. It may get you attention. but may get you banned.
     
  7. mazilo

    mazilo LI Guru Member

    After all these tired some works, perhaps you have forgotten to station some Nude Cheerleaders atop of your barn to attract your router signals so that your receiver will be able to pick up the signal better. Please let us know how your make out with those Nude Cheerleaders atop of your barn. :cheering: :rofl:
     
  8. t4thfavor

    t4thfavor Network Guru Member

    get a box that is weatherproof and cut a window in it, glue plexi glass over the window. then submerse it to see if it holds our,
    then if it does mount it on the outside and then you are done.

    you have to power it and vent it after you test the window.
     
  9. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Here is an update of what I did today. I decided to try and take back my two month old WRT54G Version 5 to Staples and see if they would exchange it. I looked through their stock for an older version, but all they had were the Version 5's. Then I asked the manager if I could upgrade to the WRT54GS and pay the difference. I had read on the Version 5 Warning sticky thread that the WRT54GS models were still OK. So the manager agreed and I went home with a new WRT54GS.

    I was a little worried when I opened up the package to see version 5 on the bottom of the router. I had printed off the serial number list from the version 5 warning thread and it looked like the WRT54GS didn't come in a version 5. I hooked it up and sure enough the firware was from mid-December 2005. That got me worried that this was going to be the similar to the WRT54G version 5 so I did some more searching on this site. Sure enough the WRT54GS models were also dumbed down just like the WRT54G's were. Needless to say, I was a little upset that the Version 5 Warning sticky thread hadn't been updated to warn us new guys. It looks like this has been confirmed for well over a month so I think it is time to update that sticky to let people know about the version 5 of the WRT54GS too.

    I decided I would go back to Staples to try and find an older GS model. I went to a different Staples that doesn't do as much volume as the bigger Staples I went to this morning. Sure enough they had an older model WRT54GS (version 2) so I traded them even up for my version 5.

    I came back here and updated the firmware to the HyperWRT firware with great results. Thanks to everyone involved in developing and distributing that firmware.

    So I am back up and running without the sluggish performance of my WRT54G version 5 that I dealt with for the last two months.

    Now tomorrow I may go back to that Staples and pick up the other WRT54GS version 2 that they had sitting on the shelf (if it's still there). I am assuming that I can use that router (in AP or Bridge mode), along with the Linksys antenna stand-cables mounted outside my barn to get my internet signal into my barn.
     
  10. t4thfavor

    t4thfavor Network Guru Member

    get it anyways, and invest in new antenna so that you dont smoke it out after a month
    running the power too high will have that result.



    buy that router and keep it then check the forums in a month or so and sell it to someone like me who may or may not need one of the older ones.

    i would still put it in a box to keep it safe
     
  11. howardp6

    howardp6 Network Guru Member

    If you are going the mount the WRT54GS outside the barn, connect it to the second WRT54GS or a WAP54G inside the barn to give you the signal in the barn. Buy the WAP54G or WRT54GS, which ever is cheaper. To use the WRT54GS you will have to disable the DHCP server on it, change it local address not to conflict with any ohter router and under advanced routing make it a gateway. You still need three units one in the house, one outside the barn and one as a access point in the barn. If the barn has a window in it facing the house you would only need two units.
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    I did go to Staples today and pick up their last WRT54GS Version 2. I plan on installing this inside the barn and use a Linksys antenna base kit to mount the antennas ouside the barn through a hole in the steel siding.

    So should I set this new GS up with a IP address of something like 192.168.2.1 because my original one in the house is 192.168.1.1? Or would I be better off setting up like 192.168.1.11?

    I plan on plugging my old Dell router into the Linksys in the barn to get a wireless signal inside the barn unless there is a real good reason to go buy a third Linksys.
     
  13. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Here is how far I have gotten.

    I connected a laptop to the new router with an ethernet cable. I disabled the wireless on the laptop.

    I upgraded the new router with the HyperWRT firware.

    I went into 'Advanced Routing' and set it up as:
    Gateway
    Destination Lan IP 192.168.1.0
    Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway 192.168.1.1
    Save Settings

    Went into "Wireless Basic Settings" and set it up as:
    Wireless Ethernet Bridge
    Mixed Mode
    My unique SSID
    My Channel 11
    Save Settings

    Went into "Wireless Security" and enabled my unique WEP settings
    Save Settings

    Then I went into "Basic Settings"
    Disabled "DHCP Server"
    Changed Local IP Address To 192.168.1.11 (also tried 192.168.2.1)
    When I hit the "Save Settings" button after these changes I get the status bars couting down as it is applying the settings. Then when it tries to refresh the page it can't reconnect to the routers setup interface.

    If I disconnect my ethernet cable and reconnect it then my laptop gets a new IP address which looks like it is being assigned by my main router in the house and I can surf internet just fine. However, I can not get logged back into the second routers setup interface.

    The only way I can get back into the second routers interface is by holding the reset button on the back and starting all over. It is apparantly something in the last changes that I make which are to disable the DHCP server and changing the Local IP Address from the default of 192.168.1.1

    Anybody's thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
     
  14. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    save yourself some money (if its not too late to do this I would suggest doing it now)

    get a cheap wireless cam that uses wired ethernet
    just set up a wap (or linksys set up as a wap, or just one of those linksys game adapters wifi to utp converters) outside the barn metal in a weatherproof container made of plastic. you could even mount it on a bit of a pole on top the barn to get it away from that huge signal-sucking mass of steel.

    or even better yet, run some utp underground or in the air. forget wifi alltogether.
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    save yourself some money (if its not too late to do this I would suggest doing it now)

    get a cheap wireless cam that uses wired ethernet
    just set up a wap (or linksys set up as a wap, or just one of those linksys game adapters wifi to utp converters) outside the barn metal in a weatherproof container made of plastic. you could even mount it on a bit of a pole on top the barn to get it away from that huge signal-sucking mass of steel.

    or even better yet, run some utp underground or in the air. forget wifi alltogether.
     
  16. t4thfavor

    t4thfavor Network Guru Member

    i have found a tool that is invaluable when working with IPs its called angry IP scanner its free from www.angyyziber.com

    use it to find out what ip you gave the router. you may have set it up as a client(the one you are cabled in) in which case it wont let you in wirelessly. keep trying, your getting closer
     
  17. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    A wireless cam that uses a wire? The WVC54G wireless cam that I have can also be used with an ethernet cable. It wasn't really cheap, but I got it for two reasons. The first reason what that I figured I would have less headaches if everything on the network was Linksys brand. The second reason I got it was because it has the built-in web server so the camera can be viewed via the internet and not just my network.
     
  18. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Come on, somebody has to know how to get this WRT54GS to work in WET mode.

    What do I have to do, actually show you naked cheerleaders to get the help I need.

    How about this, I promise to register and become a member if you guys can help me out.
     
  19. scotkb

    scotkb LI Guru Member

  20. t4thfavor

    t4thfavor Network Guru Member

    naaa anyone who has to wait three or so days to be spoonfed an answer doesnt need to register
     

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