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qos settings help for a casual gamer

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by jeremycobert, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. jeremycobert

    jeremycobert Network Guru Member

    Hi guys, I'm in need of some help. can anyone look this over and see what i need to change, or should i just enable Vegas and turn off QOS ?

    I only have 3 things that need priority. a skype phone, a wii and my new gaming machine.
    I don't use any of these 3 at the same time so i gave them all highest priority.


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    here are my basic settings
    http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vX4uXJO05K7deZiP36dROQ?feat=directlink

    i just picked up the steam orange box and started playing TF2. it seems fine but after a few seconds my Latency skyrockets to the point of unplayability. i turned off QOS and turned on Vegas and it seems better, but I'm not sure if that's because it was later in the night with less traffic.

    if anyone has any tips or tricks or see something i messed up, it would be most appreciated.
     
  2. bripab007

    bripab007 Network Guru Member

    Yeah, TCP Vegas won't really help with gaming, so you need to use QOS.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but L7 algorithms tend to not work quite as well with QOS, besides the fact they sometimes become outdated. For the VOIP phone, it's probably better to just set that rule based on the MAC address or IP of the VOIP phone itself.

    Similarly, for the TF2 gaming box, I'd try to find out what ports are used by Steam/TF2, so you can define just those with relation to just that device MAC/IP.

    Also, it's been said that TCP Vegas actually contributes to more latency for gamers, so I would use QOS and turn TCP Vegas off...that's what I do, and my latencies seem to be pretty solid and acceptable.

    Also, to clarify, your internet connection is a 1Mbps download/512Kbps upload service? I would recommend setting your outbound/upload/upstream rate to "460Kbps" and your inbound/download/downstream rate or limit to "999999Kbps" as you have no control over the inbound limit; that's decided upon purely by your ISP's upstream routers.
     
  3. jeremycobert

    jeremycobert Network Guru Member

  4. bripab007

    bripab007 Network Guru Member

    In that case, set your upload rate to 920kbps and your download to 999999kbps.
     
  5. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    If you are a standalone user, and you don't use any of those 3 at the same time, then there's absolutely no need to use QOS at all. It cannot help you, and probably far better to turn it off. Vegas might then be useful to prevent congestion, though with your speeds that's unlikely to be a problem. Just switch it on and off to see what it does for you.
     
  6. bripab007

    bripab007 Network Guru Member

    Good point about being a single user!
     
  7. jeremycobert

    jeremycobert Network Guru Member

    sorry, i should have clarified. i also hav e wife who browses, a replaytv, a small webserver etc etc. so no, im not a single users and already use QOS. i just need to find the right settings for gaming. last night i made some tweaks, but i was hoping there were some experts who could guide me or send me to a link that goes into more detail.
     
  8. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I'm not the best person to help, as I never play games / voip.... but essentially you need to make a working QOS to address your other needs (wife, etc) first, and then add the rules for games. For generally learning about QOS http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60304. After that you have to define what games you play, what ports they use, and then create a class with QOS rules to cover them. There's a few clues in the above thread about that, probably the best thing to do now is to post your presnt QOS setup to get more help. Something in your existing QOS rules seems to be permitting an application to clobber your high - priority stuff.
     
  9. bripab007

    bripab007 Network Guru Member

    Yeah, in that case, I'll just echo what I said earlier: "Similarly, for the TF2 gaming box, I'd try to find out what ports are used by Steam/TF2, so you can define just those with relation to just that device MAC/IP."

    I don't play TF2 or anything on Steam, so I don't know what those ports are, unfortunately.
     

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