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QoS unclassified, possible to make option to ignore LAN traffic?

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by dtswk, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. dtswk

    dtswk Network Guru Member

    Hi Jon,

    I'm really impressed with the firmware... just one little niggling thing for me. I'm loading a SNMP demon to monitor the router remotely and because its hitting the router every few seconds it pretty much fills up the unclass making it really difficult to see what is really going on.

    It doesn't appear possible to create a classification that works.. ie I'm assuming classifications only apply to WAN traffic (which is good).

    Would it be possible to add an option to ignore all the LAN traffic in the QoS reporting ..?


    PS I'd be very keen to hear if this is important to other people, or i'm a lone wacco with this request :)
  2. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    I agree actually. Another situation where this issue appears is when you set the QOS Chart or Details pages to auto refresh - another unclassified connection is created for every refresh. So if you set the Chart page to refresh every three seconds, the statistics get significantly skewed after a minute or so.

    I would argue that since these connections are ignored by QOS, there's no need for them to show up in the QOS stats - their presence doesn't really add any value IMO. I guess sometimes it might be interesting to view unclassified connections, so maybe their details could be viewable in a separate page or something.
  3. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    Oops. Double post :)
  4. tbjerret

    tbjerret Network Guru Member

    View Chart

    With the above option you can click on a connection class, try clicking on "High" - and you get only the details of that class.
  5. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    Yeah, it would be nice with a option to not view those at all.
  6. kendawg

    kendawg LI Guru Member

    I think he wants to see the graph without "Unclassified" so he can better see the percentage distribution. I would kinda like to see it as well.
  7. dankim831

    dankim831 Network Guru Member

    i think its better that its there because it shows how many connections that the router is tracking.

    and for some reason the router sometimes can't classify connections and doesn't place them in the default setting and still places it in unclassified.
  8. Rafatk

    Rafatk Network Guru Member

    You have a very good point dankim831.
    But I agree with tievolu.
    Because most of my unclassified connections are from auto-refresh function that the router creates to show the information.
  9. dtswk

    dtswk Network Guru Member

    No I'd like to see the unclass, because it helps you getting the rules right. What I dont want to see is the LAN traffic as it doesn't really impact the QoS.

    Hope thats clear
  10. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    Of course, of course, that would indeed be useful.
  11. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    I don't see how the unclassified connections help with tweaking your QOS rules. Any WAN connection that doesn't fall into one of your defined QOS classifications is not labelled as 'unclassified' - it gets lumped into your default classification (which is Low, by default). Whatever happens, all WAN traffic gets classified.

    It seems to me that unclassified connections are always LAN traffic. The only exception is when you've just changed something in QOS and it's flushing its existing classifications - for 30s or so all connections are listed as unclassified.
  12. dtswk

    dtswk Network Guru Member

    Nah I'm seeing stuff in unclass which isn't local... although i agree most of the unclass is LAN traffic only.

    TCP 3407 ( 8800 Unclassified

  13. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    Interesting.... ( isn't your WAN address by any chance is it? Are you hosting a service on port 8800 and accessing from inside your LAN via loopback?

    If so, that would make this connection LAN traffic, not WAN traffic.
  14. dankim831

    dankim831 Network Guru Member

    i too often see random WAN traffic in unclassified (and not its not my own public ip).
  15. Rafatk

    Rafatk Network Guru Member

    Yeah, 99% of my unclassified connections are LAN traffic.
    Sometimes one or another connection from WAN gets unclassified, but it is very rare.
    dankim and dtswk check if this WAN connection that is unclassified belongs to a specific QoS rule, if it does you might redo the QoS rule.
    I found out this problem when I was setting my VoIP rule, if I set an IP address, specific ports, and L7, something goes wrong and I get the VoIP connection unclassified.
    So I have to set it one IP address and ports, and it get classified.
    My WAN connections that is unclassified normally is one or another connection that belongs to my LOW class QoS rule. But it does NOT happen very often.

  16. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    I currently have ten QOS rules set up - 7 port based, 1 IPP2P, and 2 L7, and I never see any unclassified connections which aren't LAN traffic (although I may have missed occurrences of this issue - I don't spend all day staring at my QOS stats :))

    Sounds like this may be a weird minor QOS bug when certain types of rules are set up...
  17. Rafatk

    Rafatk Network Guru Member

    Yeah actually I saw it happening just once, a few days ago when my brother had his laptop connected.
    And the connection was from his IP address, I will check when he connects again.
    If it happens again, I will get a screen shot from it and from my QoS rules.
    I have about 6 QoS rules(cant remember right now), that covers all the traffic now.
  18. njeske

    njeske Network Guru Member

    I have yet to look at my QoS chart and not see at least one WAN connection labeled as unclassified. It's not a big deal to me, but it does happen on a regular basis. Most unclassified traffic is on the LAN side.

    I too would like to see an option to ignore LAN traffic on the QoS chart.
  19. damko

    damko Network Guru Member

    I also have noticed some WAN connections as unclassified but it's rare.

    I have open question about L7 shoutcast filter (I listen radiostations (eg shoutcast.com) with WinAmp often, so it's important to me to have QoS class high). Tomato L7 filter for 'shoutcast' doesn't work by no means - it always gets default class (which is 'Low' in my case).

    Any ideas?
  20. der_Kief

    der_Kief Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Hi @ All,

    i dont know if this is still known. Today i found an option to ignore LAN traffic in QoS monitor. Under Administration->Miscellaneous you have to tick "Avoid displaying LAN to router connections" and the LAN connections are not shown anymore.Hope this helps some people :biggrin:

  21. pharma

    pharma Network Guru Member

    Nice find!! :)
  22. HolyBastard

    HolyBastard Network Guru Member

    I think I have found how the unclassified system work. I think QoS does not bother to classify a connection for wich no data has been transfered. Using bittorrent for exemple I have many unclassified rules but the bandwith usage of those connection is virtually 0kb/s

    Looking at the conntrack I think that most of these unclassified connection are either in the Time wait or syn sent state
  23. RXP1

    RXP1 Addicted to LI Member

    This option has disappeared from the latest firmware. Is there anyway to disable LAN traffic now?
  24. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    I see "Avoid displaying LAN to router connections" under Administration -> Debugging, same option moved to a different menu?
  25. RXP1

    RXP1 Addicted to LI Member

    Ah yes, thanks :)
  26. coolspot

    coolspot LI Guru Member

    I agree too :)

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