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Reasons NOT to use DD-WRT in favor or others

Discussion in 'DD-WRT Firmware' started by PGalati, May 15, 2006.

  1. PGalati

    PGalati Network Guru Member

    Looking at the comparison chart, I see very little to make me think about changing firmware from DD-WRT to something else.

    Can some you of more experienced firmware users explain in practical examples of why any of the other firmwares would be better fit?

    I know this is the DD-WRT forum but this thread may help other DD-WRT users.

    TIA
     
  2. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    I run HyperWRT Thibor15c on my WRT54GS 1.1 at the moment. The main reason that I switched from dd-wrt is that hyperwrt is (or was, maybe dd-wrt is better now) faster and more stable than dd-wrt.
     
  3. PGalati

    PGalati Network Guru Member

    Can you briefly describe what you mean by faster?

    I certainly understand from a stability standpoint that this firmware could be more reliable than that firmware or vice versa. Fortunately for me and the type of demands we put on our router, stability has not been an issue. There are a couple of compatibility issues that might convince me into looking at other firmware. I also have an Apple Airport Extreme Base Station that I use when I am on the road (modem when all else fails) but sometimes I use it with a computer I am working on that does not have wireless at all. The AEBS and Linksys using DD-WRT work well for WDS in WEP mode. It would be nice to use WPA, but evidently the 2 can't agree to work. Numerous forums have lots of info, but no solutions.

    Though I am curious as to what seems, feels, appears faster to you using thibor. I have never had the experience of using thibor, so I really don't know what I am missing. Is the flashing method in general the same as DD-WRT and Linksys?
     
  4. bytes2000

    bytes2000 Network Guru Member

    bytes2000 Powered by DD-WRT v23 SP1.

    Why ? No critical problems, stable, lots of features.

    Hypertwrt 15a wasn't stable (dropping all my wireless clients).
    OpenWRT not tested yet.
     
  5. swinn

    swinn Network Guru Member

    Not sure about HyperWRT being faster. I went from HyperWRT to DD-WRT on my main routers a few weeks ago and to me they feel the same or DD-WRT seems quicker.

    If you don't need the extra features of DD-WRT and just want a stable, easy-to-configure router then stick with HyperWRT.
     
  6. jongi

    jongi Network Guru Member

    DD-WRT supports the WRT54Gv5 :thup:
     
  7. bleagh

    bleagh Network Guru Member

    I have been using Thibor15c basically since it came out. It's been perfectly stable for me (with and without PPPoE).

    I have tried DD-WRT v23 final twice for a very short while. Mostly just to check out the extra features.

    To me it's really a choice of if one needs the extra features offered in DD-WRT or not. If not then Thibor15c (HyperWRT) seems more stable and may be a better choice.

    Quite simply, I don't need the extra features of DD-WRT, Thibor15c seems more stable, and I didn't like the higher load when using PPPoE with DD-WRT. Also, the second time I tried DD-WRT I messed up the IP address on my win98se computer, and it couldn't seem to find the DHCP server with DD-WRT. Switched back to Thibor15c and it fixed the problem.
     
  8. sakabatou

    sakabatou LI Guru Member

    for me it was different, i found DD-WRT more stable in terms of slowing down my net and such. When i was on HWRT thibor, my internet slowed down alot after 2 days of p2p BT. my ping in cs rose to 160+ in cs with no bt on and was only solved after dcing the power and recommecting it. so far with DD-wrt i have no experienced any slowdown yet
     
  9. Nakarti

    Nakarti Network Guru Member

    Complexity

    Well I don't yet know about stability, but it's hard to say HyperWRT is *MORE* stable unless under the same conditions DD-WRT is *LESS* stable by crashing (more often.)

    What does it for me is the tweakability.
    I'm usually not satisfied with defaults, so I want every tweak and nudge possible. With DD-WRT I got a daunting list of tweaks(took a while to find static-DHCP, but I saw two new features on the way!)

    So too many options would be the biggest counter-argument to using it. It gets almost to the point of being hard to do basic stuff.

    Although working custom-DNS with DynDNS is definitely a bonus.
     
  10. jongi

    jongi Network Guru Member

    When people say it's unstable what do they mean?
     
  11. wonoscho

    wonoscho Network Guru Member

    My experience is as follows:

    I installed DD-WRT v23 SP1 Final (05/16/06) standard in end of May.
    My WRT54GS runs now for about six weeks continuously stable with no rebooting or any other trouble with three connected PCs (wired and wireless) and a PPPoE Internet connection.
    Before this I had installed DD-WRT v23 final from end 2005 and I had no stability issues too.

    The final versions of DD-WRT are really solid.

    There are some alpha and beta versions of DD-WRT, where users have stability issues with, but beta versions are for trouble shooting purpose so it is only natural that there are some bugs.

    Wolfgang
     
  12. digitalgeek

    digitalgeek Network Guru Member

    When I orginally looked at changing my firmware, I looked at DD-WRT and Thibor. I was using just my "GS v4" at that time, and first was discouraged with the complexity of the upgrade to DD-WRT requiring two flashes before I could do anything. I then read that DD-WRT required frequent reboots. I choose Thibor mainly because the upgrade was as seamless as upgrading the stock firmware... from the Administration TAB... I have since upgraded to 15c on two routers and easily implemented WDS between a a GS v4 and a G v2. I will probably continue with Thibor... as I am still not convinced that another firmware is worth the extra work.


    ........dg
     
  13. jgutz20

    jgutz20 Network Guru Member

    i've been using DD-WRT on my WRT routers v5 and pre v5 and i've never seen the stability issues with all versions from v22 to 23sp1
     
  14. kiwiruss

    kiwiruss Network Guru Member

    DD-WRT has been good for me. had to do a couple of reboots over the past 2 years but thats not bad.
     
  15. slamcat

    slamcat Network Guru Member

    I used DD-WRT for about two days.

    What turned me off? The fact that EVERY little setting change meant the Wifi restarted. Kind of a pain to update the time setting from a wireless and have the wifi restart.

    Used Thibor for about a year, then decided to go CLI and use WhiteRussian RC5.

    Love it! Wouldn't go back, especially using a WRTSL54GS. The firmware is lean and this router screams.
     
  16. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    I am thinking about trying openwrt, but could you tell me this thing first; is it easy to manage the port forwarding? I disable and enable forwarded ports very often (in the webgui of thibor that is) today, so how is it done in openwrt? It has to be as fast and easy as the webguis (in thibor and ddwrt) or better if possible.
     
  17. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    Doesn’t anyone know how the process of how to forward ports in openwrt? Gosh it must be really hard then. :|
     
  18. swinn

    swinn Network Guru Member

    iptables
     
  19. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    Oh, of course. Guess I better read some about that then if I would ever actually flash openwrt. Thank you!
     
  20. slamcat

    slamcat Network Guru Member

    Look for a program called FWBuilder which is a graphical front-end for iptables. They have preconfigured templates which work just fine; I've tweaked some for use in OpenWRT and I'm having zero problems with it.
     
  21. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    Great, thanks for the tip, but that makes it pretty much work when adding, removing, enable or disable a forwarded port, right? I do that very often now in thibors firmware and I can’t make a new firewall every time you know. ;)

    How about the web gui in openwrt; can port forward be managed from there? I can’t find any info at all about it, can’t even find a screenshot. :S
     
  22. mrgamer

    mrgamer LI Guru Member

    if u want a gui for openwrt, why not a simple thibor/ddwrt firmware ?

    personally my first "tweaked" firmware was thibor15c, and was good... but not enough
    ddwrt has a lot of more options for manipulate router ports and so on
    and didn't noticed troubles until now
     
  23. Ayala

    Ayala LI Guru Member

    Hi,

    what's the best firmware for my WRT54G v2?
    currently I use www.thibor.co.uk firmware on my WRT54G v2 and I'm can't see no reasons to change it unless other 3rd part firmware could boot signal and strength of the wireless signal.

    Is this the best firmware to improve/boost signal strength and range?

    The signal strength/ranges is a parameter that you could change via firmware?

    Is there any table comparing signal strength and range from diferent 3rd part firmware installed on the same router models?

    BTW, is already a 3rd party firmware available for the wrt300n?

    thanks
    Ayala
    Lisbon, Portugal
     
  24. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    Thibor already has a Transmit signal boost setting in the Wireless Advanced section.

    Thibors WRT300n firmware is being worked on. it is not complete and sometimes unstable. he is aware people would like a new irmware, but you WILL have to wait. no one is paying him for this job, so he is doing it at his leisure.
     
  25. fareal

    fareal LI Guru Member

    I've only briefly tried HyperWRT-Thibor. Switched to DD-WRT because I read QOS was better (not sure if that was true or not). Now I'm trying out Tomato. DD-WRT had a lot of stuff that I didn't need. Not exactly a reason to switch but so far I'm glad I did. The web gui of Tomato doesn't look like much at first, but I like the way it performs with ajax and javascript. And it seems to have exactly what I need which makes it easier to navigate the gui without weeding through a bunch of stuff that I'll never use. The bandwidth monitor and qos details in the web gui are nice to look at too when you are curious about whats going on on your network.

    I'd be curious to hear other opinions on Tomato from those of you that have more experience with DD-WRT and HyperWRT-Thibor. If anyone is curious enough to install it, you can discuss it over in the Other Firmware Projects forum.
     
  26. swinn

    swinn Network Guru Member

    I put Tomato on a spare router to take a look and it looks nice. If it had SNMP then I would consider using it on one of my production routers to give it a workout.
     
  27. slamcat

    slamcat Network Guru Member

    Not if you keep a running copy of the ruleset on a local machine, and please, please take the time to learn how iptables works. I had to go by trial and error, but once I did, I wouldn't look back. Forwarding ports is two entries in the table; the NAT entry (prerouting rule) and the forward entry in the policy set. Port forwarding can be managed from the GUI, but it's cumbersome and easier to use iptables. If you intend on making a lot of rules, I'd use JFFS over SquashFS just because the entire system is read/write. The downside of that is that the failsafe boot option isn't available, so if you lock yourself out of the router (I've done it twice) you have to TFTP flash the firmware back on it.

    As I've said before, people who are not familiar with CLI Linux, this will not be the firmware for you (OpenWRT). I am. As I stated before, I like it on the SL because it's lean and leaves many options for me as a base install of OpenWRT uses just 7MB of the 32 available, with many packages available, including SNMP and PPTPD. If I had my old v2.2 54G still, I'd be using Thibor, just like I did before, because with only 16mb of RAM, the options I use would eat up the 16mb pretty quick.
     
  28. myersw

    myersw Network Guru Member

    I am currently running Tomato on a wrt54gs v4. Previous firmware was Thibor15c and before that DD-WRT v23sp1. For me DD-WRT was not stable, had to reboot every few days. Thibor15c was much more stable and "felt" faster, not sure it really was.
    Decided to try Tomato as I had used Tofu's firmware in the past on a WRT54G which was rock solid. So far Tomato has been solid, running v .04 currently. Like the web interface. Doesn't look like much at first but is very flexable to use. The graphic display of bandwidth usage and the graphical QOS pie chart are really nice.
    So the reason to switch from DD-WRT in my case was lack of stability. I have a very critical customer, my wife, who complains very loud when she cannot access her email So need stability. You know the saying:
    "Happy wife, happy life."
    ---bill
     
  29. wycf

    wycf Network Guru Member

    I used DD-WRT and HyperWRT 15c before. Now I've been use the new 0.04 Tomato for two days. Very happy with it.
     
  30. duerrs

    duerrs LI Guru Member

    Is it possible to punch open a range of ports on tomato 0.004? I do not see "from - to" on the port forwarding menu, i only see "external - internal"
     
  31. fareal

    fareal LI Guru Member

    Yes, put the range in External and leave Internal blank.
     
  32. duerrs

    duerrs LI Guru Member

    thank you
     
  33. tiagoespinha

    tiagoespinha Network Guru Member

    Ok, so first of all this isn't a hate-post towards Brainslayer. It's just a post saying why I don't use DD-WRT in favor of others.

    Thibor15c

    Advantages:
    - Ease-of-use
    - Stability
    - Lightweight
    - Has pretty much everything I need (WDS, SPI Firewall,etc)

    Disadvantages:
    - The same old GUI
    - Doesn't have a statistics page


    DD-WRT

    Advantages:
    - Does have the statistics page
    - Has a lot of features (most useless to me)

    Disadvantages (oh boy):
    - Heavy
    - Reboots for barely every action we do
    - When it doesn't reboot, it powercycles the router's Wi-Fi adapter
    - WDS sucks a bit, rebooting to re-establish the WDS link isn't exactly ideal to me

    And I think that's all. I've switched over to to DD-WRT many times but I'm so tired of having my dad complain at me because he can't get a wireless link that I finally settled down on Thibor15C. The only real reason I did keep getting back was that statistics page, I really would like to know how in lord's name we get the number of active IP connections, even if through SSH.
     
  34. slamcat

    slamcat Network Guru Member

    You might try issuing the following either through SSH or even the web command line interface in Thibor. This is how I find out in OpenWRT.

    cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack | wc -l

    If ip_conntrack doesn't exist in /proc/net, you need to find out where it is at. This should return the number of active connections in tracking table.
     
  35. tiagoespinha

    tiagoespinha Network Guru Member

    Thanks man! It works, and I've been looking for this for so damn long :D you're my hero!
     
  36. bertomp

    bertomp LI Guru Member

    Anybody having a WRT54G v5 or v6 and DD-WRT firmware, is it possible to adjust the wireless signal output power?, exist this option between DD-WRT fimware's features?
    Thank you and regards
     
  37. dvaskelis

    dvaskelis Network Guru Member

    I sometimes compare DD-WRT with what happened a while ago with Netscape's browser. At some point, probably around when Netscape Navigator became Netscape Communicator, I stopped using it. Why? It was big, bloated, complicated, and not always stable. But no doubt about it, it had by far more features than anything else.

    I switched to Internet Explorer, which I compare to HyperWRT Thibor. It had plenty of features, although perhaps was sometimes quirky because of its origins (Spyglass Mosiac in the case of IE, stock Linksys firmware in the case of HyperWRT), but for the most part worked more than good enough and did everything most people needed.

    And then, eventually, I started using Firefox, which I compare to Tomato. It's small, wickedly-fast, stable, and has a handful of features I'd never seen before like a real-time QoS UI and bandwidth charts in the case of Tomato. It does not have all the features of DD-WRT, not by a mile, but it's got everything I need and is fast and beautiful.

    So, which browser do you use?
     
  38. __spc__

    __spc__ Network Guru Member

    I have what feels a fast WLAN, set up using a gateway router with two WDS bridges.

    It works. Well. No reason to consider anything else.
     
  39. RTSAnime

    RTSAnime Network Guru Member

    I use tomato because it is lightweight and uses less memory than the other firmwares (atleast on my gv3 it does)
     
  40. Daktari

    Daktari LI Guru Member

    Thats why I use it too. Is there any other firmware that supports the WRT54G v5?
     
  41. slamcat

    slamcat Network Guru Member

    I'm seeing some work being done on using a micro version of OpenWRT on the V5. Not sure about how the v6 and v7 are working with it though.

    You could peruse the OpenWRT forums at http://forum.openwrt.org to find out.
     
  42. wycf

    wycf Network Guru Member

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