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Summarizing why Tomato is good for you?

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by jksmurf, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. jksmurf

    jksmurf Network Guru Member

    I am a current and long-term Thibor15c user, which I use in WDS mode with a Bridge attached to a mediaMVP for my HTPC PVR. I am happy with the stability of Thibor15c, but the speed browsing the internet and torrents could be better. The latter may simply be a function of my DSL connection.

    This is what I can currently surmise about Tomato, from previous posts:

    What it is
    Upgrading from Thibor
    Advanced QoS section.
    Simple and Uncluttered functionality and interface
    Graphical display

    P2P-Connection Friendly


    Is there anything else that would make a Thibor15c user really really want to try it out?

  2. damko

    damko Network Guru Member

    I've been using Thibor 15c for a long time (WRT54GL 1.0). It was really stable and fast. Good firmware indeed. Bust I switched to Tomato and I was impressed:
    - very very stable
    - fast
    - QoS chart (always can be seen what is going on, conn tracking)
    - very responsive UI
    - more free RAM available
    - ...

    Both firmawares are good. But Tomato is little faster for me...
  3. jksmurf

    jksmurf Network Guru Member


    Seems a lot of folks reckon "it's fast". I'd be interested to know what parts are considered "fast"?

    - GUI Interface?
    - FTP Uploads / Downloads?
    - P2P
    - Torrents
    - Web Browsing
    - etc


  4. damko

    damko Network Guru Member

    For my personal opinion especially web browsing is faster and also all of the above (gui, ftp, p2p, torrents, voip).
  5. PsychoD

    PsychoD Network Guru Member

    For me it' especially the Web-browsing and the GUI which seem really fast to me.

    Another point which keeps me with this firmware is the superb support. I mailed Jon about the UPnP Problem and one day after it was fixed in the new version. Try that with dd-wrt...

    Besides - I like the idea to have a tomato on my router ;)
  6. tievolu

    tievolu Network Guru Member

    I think DD-WRT's problem is that to a certain extent is has become a victim of its own success. It is an excellent firmware, with some excellent features. However, there are now a very large number of DD-WRT users, which results in a huge number of bug reports - simply sifting through the crap to locate the real bugs has become an issue for the developers. Not to mention the fact that DD-WRT seems to have gone into bloat mode now - as a prime example, something I read yesterday suggests that there are plans to include a Bittorrent client in it (!).

    One nice thing about Tomato is that it's still small scale, with only a few people using it (although that will no doubt change if Jon continues to build such excellent firmware). It's nice to experience that small community spirit again.

    I still browse the DD-WRT forums to check out what's going on, and the community over there is starting to get a little narky IMO. For example, the recent trend of pursuing people on eBay who are selling routers flashed with DD-WRT seems more like something Sveasoft would do.

    Anyway, I'll stop ranting. Tomato is simple, easy to use, looks gorgeous, contains all the features I need, and is very stable. The QOS is highly configurable (very important feature for me), and the fact that it can be messed with in realtime, without rebooting, was the thing that first attracted me to switch from DD-WRT.
  7. AeN0

    AeN0 Network Guru Member

    I needed :

    - fast (http interface)
    - stable
    - nice GUI
    - QOS
    - uPnP
    - Static DHCP
    - Wireless Encryption (WPA2-AES)

    Download and Upload speed remain the same as for me (Thibor, DD-WRT, Tomato). (15 mbits ADSL2+).

    Tomato suited all these needs (and only these, no extra feature that I will never use)
  8. hbkh

    hbkh LI Guru Member

    Remember though, DD-WRT has a much larger number of users so it's harder to reply quick. Once Tomato develops a bigger following (it's really good, so i bet it will) I bet Jon will have a similar delay in responding to issues. Either way, I'm sure both BrainSlayer (DD-WRT developer) and Jon are working as hard as possible to give us gold! :thumbup:
  9. wycf

    wycf Network Guru Member

    When I was using DDWRT and read lot people brick their WRT, make me nervous each time when I try to upgrade.

    I've started use Tomato from 0.04. So far the upgrade to a new version is SO SMOOTH! Give me a whole lot of confidents.
  10. PsychoD

    PsychoD Network Guru Member

    Exactly - just flash the image and you are done. With dd-wrt you have to make a factory default reset and put in all the settings by hand again. Kept me from upgrading...
  11. tstrike2000

    tstrike2000 Network Guru Member

    I've used Tofu13c, Thibor 14 and 15c. They are all excellent firmwares. Thibor 15c is indeed very stable, fast, with great QoS which I need for my VoIP line.

    I've used Tomato .07-.09 for the last few weeks and I'm very impressed. Tomato is great for me for several reasons. First off, it has a very clean look to it. As many have mentioned, the bandwidth graph plus daily and monthly bandwidth totals are a really cool feature. Plus, I like the option to save the history to a CIFS share. The biggest pro for me is the options in the QoS. The extended options are great for the extra control it gives you. The QoS connection chart is awesome so you know exactly what QoS is doing. It's also ligther on memory resources as I consistantly have 25-30% free memory.

    The speedtests I've done are right on par or maybe even a tad faster than Thibor15c. My testyourvoip.com results are consistantly in the 4.2-4.4 range which is great. In the short time I've used it, it's been as stable as Thibor 15c which makes my wife happy.
  12. jksmurf

    jksmurf Network Guru Member

    Anything that keeps teh wife happy must be good.

    OK, but does free memory on a Router actually have any advantages?

    Thanks for all your responses and keep them coming!

  13. tstrike2000

    tstrike2000 Network Guru Member

    Well, it certainly doesn't have a disadvantage. In general is better to have more free memory, although I don't run anything too fancy, just port forwarding and QoS. However, though the processor is only 200mhz, having that memory free could possibly be used for a openVPN implementation into the firmware. Anything that runs stable and fast, as Tomato has been, without using high CPU or memory utilization is always a good thing.
  14. jksmurf

    jksmurf Network Guru Member

    OK folks, 6 months on, do you all still think the same...?

    Any other reasons to move :) (Apart from the Bandwidth Monitor ... :biggrin: )

  15. Talon88

    Talon88 LI Guru Member


    I am new to Tomato, I started using from the current
    version v1.06. I choose Tomato is because of it's clear
    look, faster UI & still have many good features!

    But 1 Basic things is missed, I hope Tomato can add
    the embeded Small Help with the default setting value next to
    the options at UI. This will make it more easy to new user
    & easy for us to set back the default setting after testing
    each options.

    Also, Tomato need a detail manual or WiKi for download.
    So we can use that to study more on each options.

  16. Odin-60

    Odin-60 LI Guru Member

    1) stability; lack of serious bugs

    2) I can trust the firmware: It is open-source, so any
    security flaw would never remain unnoticed by experts.
    (I'm not an expert myself.)

    3) I can access the web interface of my DSL modem "across"
    the router.

    4) reasonable logging facility; in particular, I can see when a
    PPPoE connection is established or terminated

    5) the "prioritize ACK" feature in QOS

    6) built-in bandwidth monitor

    7) clear and logical web interface


    I changed from DD-WRT to Tomato, mainly because of DD-WRT's
    deficiencies re. #4, 5 and 7. Recently, #6 became important, too,
    when my ISP decided to abandon its bandwidth monitoring service.
  17. butterman

    butterman LI Guru Member

    There is a Wiki Book on Tomato located here which is helpful for new users.


    I've found the change to Tomato very helpful and been using it since 1.04.

    I have 2 VOIP lines as well as a Slingbox and the QoS options allow me to properly prioritoize between the three so that everything keeps working.
  18. Talon88

    Talon88 LI Guru Member


    DSL is bridge mode,
    Router is


    How can I do that?

    Where to set?



  19. Odin-60

    Odin-60 LI Guru Member

  20. digitalgeek

    digitalgeek Network Guru Member

    When I first started using tomato (somewhere around .05), my expeince was very limited. I started with Thibor 14(I think) I was looking at DD-WRT vs Thibor... I had read in a forum that DD-WRT riquired frequent reboots, and had other issues. I had read a lot of positive things about Thibor and imediately uploaded it. When 15c came out, I was one of first users to flash my router. shortly after that I read about WDS, and had to try it out. I was disappointed with the overall performance with WDS eanbled. I had read about tomato and that it was very stable. So I said what the heck, whats the worst that could happen (as Tomato was still in beta) I have never looked back. I can say from experience that the WDS connection and overall gateway performance was improved greatly.

    I would agree with earlier comments... if Thibor (or DD-WRT) is working for you, there is no reason to switch. but for the few that are disappointed or discouraged with their current firmware, come give Tomato an honest effort, you won't be disappointed! ;)
  21. Hypernova

    Hypernova LI Guru Member

    B/W monitor and traffic counter is extremely useful for people in New Zealand who have to live with data caps and pay-as-you-go internet.

    One other reason I switched is because development on HyperWRT is dead for the older series (G/GS/GL) while Tomato is still going.
  22. Odin-60

    Odin-60 LI Guru Member

  23. jksmurf

    jksmurf Network Guru Member

    Interesting. I have been using Thibor 13, 14, 15c for 18 months or so and with WDS, which seems a bit slow. How much was "greatly", did you do any tests tests before an after or was it a "feel" thing?

    Come now, with all due respect, be fair. You used it, and probably had a great run out of it, Thibor has a family and does it for free. He has mentioned it will be updated when he gets time.... :rolleyes:
  24. ceevee

    ceevee LI Guru Member

    I came from DD-WRT & it is very good, BUT...

    I like the bandwidth monitoring of Tomato. The interface is clean and simple. The CPU load & used RAM is low even with p2p. The stability is rock solid so far.

    Please keep up the good work.
  25. aholmes

    aholmes Guest

    I switched from DD-WRT v23 sp2 to Tomato 1.07 because I could never get WDS working over WPA between my two Linksys WRT54GL v1.1 routers. I had to use WEP. I put the exact same settings into tomato with WPA AES key and viola works great the first time.

    The QoS is of course awesome. By far the best implementation I've seen.
  26. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    just curious as well as to "its faster" no one has shown any benchmarks. has anyone run a benchmark between different firmware builds?
  27. GeeTek

    GeeTek Guest

    For WDS, yes. A properly tuned Tomato WDS point to point link will loop 29 - 30 megga bits, VERY consistently. DD-WRT WDS links ALWAYS randomly vary between 10 and 20 megga bits. I have tested extensively side by side. Same radios, same everything. Jon has badly clobbered Sebastian in terms of WDS radio performance ( and QOS, ACK adjustment, Access Restriction functionality and radio stability in general ). I do a lot of testing, but have not benched anything except these two firmwares.
  28. Avrojet

    Avrojet Guest

    I used DD-WRT for about a year but switched to Tomato a few weeks ago because once again DD-WRT's port forwarding had just stopped working.
    So far everything is working well with Tomato. The Bandwidth graphs look really nice and are useful, too. The fast interface is another plus.
    Once I get the chance I will try out QoS and see how that goes.

    So, I'm quite satisfied with Tomato currently :)

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