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Tomato and Thibor HyberWRT and some other questions

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by emunity, Oct 5, 2008.

  1. emunity

    emunity Addicted to LI Member

    I have been out of the scene for a couple of years now content with this Thibor HyperWRT firmware upgrade I did a couple of years ago.

    Every time I try to go to Thibor site it sais domain may be for sale.

    Has Thibor given up on the Modified Firmware project and taken over by Tomato?

    I have the Linksys Wireless CGN6 = WRT54GS v4.0 with Thibor HyperWRT from a couple of years ago.

    Firmware Version: v4.71.1, Hyperwrt 2.1b1 + Thibor15c

    Is 15C the last he made and does the latest version of Tomato do a better job? More Options?

    I basically like to have more port forwarding options as the Thibor upgrade gave me as well as more robust performance and tons of features the basic linksys firmware does not give you.

    Thibor QOS also works incredible if you have VOIP.

    Can I easily upgrade to Tomato_1_21.7z or do I have to clear Thibor's firmware and install a linksys default firmware before I upgrade to Tomato?

    I have been as of late seeing an issue with Firefox and Safari having a bit of a hard time connecting to some Internet sites? Slow or sluggish. At times it just won't connect?

    I did connect my Motorola Modem directly to the PC and that did not seem to help but after a few minutes surfing is way faster than with the linksys router.

    Do routers in general slow down surfing?

    The modem and Comcast signal is perfect. UPSTREAM power is 40.2 dBmV and DOWNSTREAM power level is 4.8 dBmV and Signal to Noise is 38.4 dB.

    SO I cannot blame the Motorola SB5100 nor any of the signals.
  2. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    Tomato and Thibor HyperWRT

    There is a mirror of thibor's old site here


    Tomato is a current active project based on similar linksys core with completely revamped GUI and extra features. Tomato author Jon was also the developer of Hyperwrt Tofu so "under the bonnet" similar pedigree. Its a smaller step to Tomato for you than to dd-wrt which can do anything/everything.

    Unlikely to suddenly fix your web browsing though - Hyperwrt Thibor used to work really well! Suggest you should look at using OpenDNS rather than your ISPs dns servers to see if it is a a dns issue. If only certain websites try lowering the MTU on router to 1400 to see if this is the issue (could increase to optimize later).

    See the docs for upgrade from Hyperwrt - I definitely didn't go back to stock Linksys firmware, use Tomato gui to clear nvram and reset to defaults after loading. This may appear unnecessary but may avoid obscure problems later.
  3. Potty

    Potty LI Guru Member

    Yeah I think the Thibor dude isn't developing HyperWRT since the last release 15c was nearly three years ago. I upgraded from Thibor to Tomato last week and it was very simple. I cleared the nvram in Thibor, flashed to Tomato, and cleared the nvram again just to be safe. Took maybe five minutes and so far so good!! :)
  4. emunity

    emunity Addicted to LI Member

    Thanks for the great information. Sorry about my misspelling in the Subject Field. dd-wrt is more in the lines of Thibor HyperWRT or more like in the same lines as Tomato?

    I will try to set those areas you mentioned. I never tried OpenDNS. I use to play around with MTS when it was the default Linksys firmware.

    Where is the choice for OpenDNS? Still cannot find it?

    So if I upgrade to dd-wrt or Tomato I may loose some features I have in Thibor?

    I have to admit that Tomato offers some great Gui graphics on bandwidth sections etc. Not sure if it gives you all the extra fields in the Port forwarding as Thibor?

    so dd-wrt would be more like the Thibor project?

    is there a link for dd-wrt and which upgrade do you suggest dd-wrt or Tomato is switch to another firmware.
  5. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    The only thing I miss from HyperWRT is the "run command" in the web gui, have to use Telnet/ssh command line. I'm sure Tomato does everything Hyperwrt Thibor did, just don't expect it to look like Linksys firmware in the web gui!

    For www.opendns.com you define the opendns servers as static not your ISP ones (I sure Hyperwrt supported that). In Tomato I tell it it use both.

    I wouldn't worry about www.dd-wrt.com yet, it has many different options/features and supports many different hardwares, and has commercial supported versions as well. Tomato is more focussed on stability/performance and should suit you fine.
  6. emunity

    emunity Addicted to LI Member

    Wow that OpenDNS is great!! Even though my comcast IP is dynamic I have had it for over a year since my router never powers down and I set my lease time to 9999. If that helps?

    SO do I need to install the client software? I am on both Mac OSX and WIndows XP and Vista as well as Linux.

    The servers are instantly refreshed. I think I will stick with Thibor's HyperWRT 15C for now and try out Tomato on my other WRT54GS V4 CGN6 at a later time.

    I also have the WRT310N. Not sure if any Tomato version will work but dd_wrt will on that router.

    I am also thinking of upgrading to the WRT600N someday or just wait? The WRT610N is not supported by Tomato nor dd_wrt.
  7. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    I don't use any client software with OpenDNS, but guess some folk have to pay for premium services so the rest of us can leach for free! I don't think the IP is relevant - and doesn't WAN IP lease time come from the ISP?

    There's several threads on future wireless N routers and Tomato, I think there's a real opportunity for someone to release a supported opensource wireless-N gigabit router (and give the Tomato Author Jon a few to play with!), at the moment there's no clear successor to the WRT54GL (basically same as your GS V4) I can see - but watch for developments in dd-wrt.
  8. emunity

    emunity Addicted to LI Member

    Thanks for the reply. You are absolutely correct. The lease time comes from the ISP.

    But when that time comes and the router lease time coincides with the ISP lease time then your IP will change.

    By setting the router lease time to 9999 and in some cases other routers allow you to set this over that number, it will be very unlikely for both the router and ISP to coincide at the same time thus your router will always ping or keep the IP as long as it stays on and you have it on a battery backup/line conditioner as I do.

    DO you kinda see what I am saying?

    My Comcast IP Is dynamic and yet I have had the same IP for almost 2 years now.

    If I slip another Router in with a different MAc address I instantly have a New IP.

    If I slip the original router in I get my original IP back.

    Maybe my observations are wrong on this theory and has nothing to do with Lease time on the router and only because my router is 24/7 and on a battery backup.

    You tell me what you think.

    Thanks again.
  9. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    Yes I used to have a very static IP on UK cable, would only change when they did major network upgrades. I suspect it makes it easier for their abuse team to manage the database which records who had what IP when. I used to use the router clone MAC function to change IP to get around download sites single IP limits! I think the authorization has now been greatly tightened and the cable modems patched to make it harder for cloners - personally I wouldn't mess with that end!
  10. jersully

    jersully LI Guru Member

    My understanding is that OpenDNS has no premium services. It's all free. Their client is for use with their features like content filtering, but if you plug OpenDNS into your DDNS settings it will do that work for you. AFAIK OpenDNS has no actual DDNS service. If I'm wrong would someone please correct me?
  11. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    You can create a free account by logging into OpenDNS, but surely they are not providing a great worldwide DNS service for nothing - what's the business model?
  12. jersully

    jersully LI Guru Member

    By posting advertisements on pages displayed when a name can't be resolved, or a site is blocked, etc.

    Note that their DNS-O-Matic service does register DDNS information with multiple DDNS providers.

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