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Tomato with BiQuad or Yagi Antenna

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by poolman10, Aug 8, 2010.

  1. poolman10

    poolman10 Networkin' Nut Member

    I am not a router guy at all, Actually I am Just an old grandpa, That just started play with routers in the last few months, All the router I am using are WRT54G's v.2.2- v.3-and 2, v.4's and a v.5.
    I have a yagi antenna setup that works fine, (store bought) And I have a few BiQuad's mounted on sat dishes, I have been using DD-WRT firmware, with no problems and all, I just change the ip, set it in repeater mode and hook up my BiQud, Then I can do a site survey, and join any open networks.
    Well I heard that Tomato works just as well, So downloaded it flashed on of my routers, all went well, But can't seem to get it to work, I try changing the ip so my 4 wireless routers won't have the same ip's, but it won't let me, Then I did a site survey, It shows all the networks , but can't seem to join or connect to them.
    Will Tomato work hooked to an outside antenna, and let me join any open networks, and then repeat this through my house? Like DD-WRT firmware does, Or Am I just wasting my time, Thought it would be cool to have a different firmware in one of my routers, If not I will just flash it back to DD-WRT,
    Thank-You For Any Help...:biggrin:
  2. poolman10

    poolman10 Networkin' Nut Member

    No Tomato experts???
  3. Dagger

    Dagger Networkin' Nut Member

    That sounds interesting. When you use repeater mode... the same directional antennae connects to the distant network AND provides coverage to your location?
  4. Seal

    Seal Network Guru Member

    Those "open" networks, were discussing here are ofc under either your administration or ownership?
    Not trying to be a moralizing bastard, but getting a chilling sense of "hey look, neighbours door is open and therefore its my RIGHT to bring his television back home with me..."
  5. Dagger

    Dagger Networkin' Nut Member

    If a wireless internet connection is open and accessible... the most logical conclusion is that it is open and accessible because they have made it available for use. Your "TV" analogy is irrelevant because a TV has monetary value whereas in most cases using a wireless network connection does not cost the provider any more or less money if you're connected or not.

    A more accurate analogy would be a water fountain on the sidewalk in front of your house. If you put a lock on it, then obviously you don't want passersby using it... if you don't put a lock on it, then most likely you don't mind passersby using it.
  6. pfoomer

    pfoomer LI Guru Member

    If a wireless internet connection is open and accessible... the most logical conclusion is that it is open and accessible because they have made it available for use.
    Not really, there are loads of uninformed users who do not secure their wireless, due to ignorance, and WEP is busted.

    whereas in most cases using a wireless network connection does not cost the provider any more or less money if you're connected or not.
    But it has the potential to cost the subscriber, as some countries now have laws to remove internet access and also penalise the owner for illegal downloads.

    It has been shown that wifi travels a lot further than users believe.
  7. Seal

    Seal Network Guru Member

    I think the word your grasping for here is CONSENT...Unless theres a big fat sign on the fountain with "FREE WATER HERE", your analogy could be ported unto teenage girls and "fair game"....
  8. Dagger

    Dagger Networkin' Nut Member

    Pfoomer & Seal - Your points are the exceptions... there are always exceptions. There are very few absolutes in life... which is why my life philosophy revolves around the "80/20 Rule". It's safe to assume that at least 80% of the available wireless connections are intentional... so it's not logical to avoid 100% of the available wireless connections on the off chance that you might use one of the other 20%.

    I'm certainly not condoning the use of a wireless connection if you KNOW that it was not intended to be made public or cracking WEP. I'm just saying that if it is available... the most logical assumption is that it was intentional.
  9. Seal

    Seal Network Guru Member

    exceptions? To me it seems the argument is same as always: As long as it benefits me, its a victimless crime...If I get victimized by it, its a capital offence....
  10. ntest7

    ntest7 Network Guru Member

    Tomato works fine with an external antenna.

    As for "rebroadcast", that depends on what you mean. Tomato does support WDS repeater mode but does not support multiple SSIDs.

    Be aware that using a wireless connection without permission -- even an open one -- is illegal in many places, and rude everywhere else. Be a good neighbor and ask first.

    Better yet, offer to help your neighbor secure their WiFi in return for access to it.
  11. poolman10

    poolman10 Networkin' Nut Member

    I guess I stirred up a big mess, I was just asking if I could use Tomato in the same way I use DD-wrt, I can't seem to connect to a network using site survey, Like I do with DD-Wrt, As far as stealing internet, I do not, I pay around $50.00 a month for my ISP, Now with that said, I have a Yagi Trio set-up, That works great (just look on fleabay) and you will find them, They are from a company in Canada, and are around $180.00, But been playing with BiQuads mounted on sat dishes, And Linksys WRT54G routers And Flash them with DD-Wrt, I have a total of 4 wireless networks in my house, 2 are from my ISP provider that I pay for, One of the Biquads is hitting a coffee shop that I visit a lot, and pay 3 to 4 dollars a cup for coffee, and I never bring any of my laptops there a sit and surf, And the last one is a neighbor, that I don't know, I share mine with anyone that wants to use it, And usually use my own network, But do hook to some of the others, Mostly just to do a download speed check, and compare to my speed, But if it's 12:00 am and one of the other networks has a faster download speed at the time I will use it, But not for more than 10 or 15 minutes at a time, I like to think of it as sharing, I have logged into my router when my speed is slow and see a few other people logged on to it, That is fine with me, As a matter of fact I have a friend who lives in Canada, And got a super high speed connection, and lets his neighbors log on to his wireless, They all chip in and it cost them very little, I would love to do that, But I live in Florida, And most of the neighbors won't even wave to you, Let alone talk to you, I am just an old grandpa that likes playing with satellites and now just started playing with WiFi, Didn't mean to offend anyone.....:rolleyes:
  12. Seal

    Seal Network Guru Member

    Not to worry poolman..at least for my part im in no way offended or anything even if i might have come across as such..actually it might have been bad phrasing on my part resulting in what should have been more along the lines of a warning came out as something else completely. That being said, a reason for me reacting to the subject perhaps rather harshly is the mentality that seems to flourish in regards to the "morality" of using unsecured wireless networks around us just because they are unsecured.Im not a US citizen so i cannot elaborate on laws regarding usage of wireless connections in the commitment of crime in the US, but here in Europe, the law in many countries clearly states that the OWNER of the wireless network is liable for all and any crimes commited using said wireless connection.Not even if you as owner is ignorant of the law or even can prove that you were nowhere near your network at the time of the crime will it get you off the hook.
    So in my neck of the woods(and in my opinion), somebody using someone elses wireless "just because they can" is risking to frame some poor sod,who might just not know how to secure their network, for a crime either willingly or unwillingly.
    My 2 cents (or Euros)...
  13. poolman10

    poolman10 Networkin' Nut Member

    Thank-You Sir,
    What I can tell you is I live in the US, and my Brother-in-Law, Works for the FBI, In IT Security, He told me it is not breaking the law to log on to any unsecure network, And he even gave me software, that will break any WEP security, I have not, and will not use it, Don't think that would be right, People secure there wireless, Because they pay for it and don't want to share it, That is fine, It's your wireless, Do with it what you will, I choose to leave mine open, and share, I can actually reverse my Trio and broadcast out the antenna I have 40' in the air, Which I would do, And try to get like 10 neighbors to pitch in, But that will never happen in my neighborhood, Kinda sad..........
  14. poolman10

    poolman10 Networkin' Nut Member

    Not to hog the thread, But no one has actually told me how to do this with Tomato, A few people said it is possible, The DD-WRT works fine, Just wanted to play with something new...
  15. RonWessels

    RonWessels Network Guru Member

    Returning to your original question, the antenna that is used is completely unrelated to the software being used. Putting a BiQuad, Yagi, Cantenna, or rubber ducky antenna makes no difference to the software. The only question would be specifying which antenna (given that there are typically two) to use, but that should be easily determined by trial and error.

    The problem you are having is that Tomato cannot be configured into "repeater" mode. As I understand that mode in DD-WRT, it acts as a client on a wireless network and simultaneously an access point with the same SSID (and obviously the same channel). Using Tomato, there are two options. The first and simplest is simply to buy a second router, configure the first as a client (either Wireless Client or Wireless Ethernet Bridge, depending on whether you want to isolate your network), connect a LAN port from the first router to a LAN port on the second router, and configure the second router as an access point only (ie. WAN off, DHCP off, DNS and gateway pointing to your first router, etc). The second is to arrange for the remote wireless network to support a WDS connection to your router, then configure your router to be WDS+AP.
  16. poolman10

    poolman10 Networkin' Nut Member

    Thank-You Sir,
    It is very easy to do with one router using DD-WRT, I will keep playing with Tomato for a while, I knew that you had to set up in WDS mode, not sure about the +AP, Just picked up the granddaughter and will have her for the next 3 days, So I may not get to play, But I will let you know if I get it working, The one thing I couldn't figure out was how to hook to a network in Site Survey, With DD-WRT. You just click join, and that is it, Maybe I need to have the router cofigured first??

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