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VPN - Thibor16

Discussion in 'HyperWRT Firmware' started by chantililace, Oct 9, 2006.

  1. chantililace

    chantililace LI Guru Member

  2. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Hehe... If I didn't know any better, this thread was created for the sole purpose of subtely coaxing Thibor into revealing how much longer Thibor16 will be.

    I am curious as well, since it has been nearly 5 months since the last release. I do understand that Thibor is a busy man, but still, the curiousity is there. Do we have a preliminary changelog etc?
  3. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    No we dont and Thibor is on holiday.

    he has REAL job away from Thibor developement, that uses up alot of his time.
  4. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    I figured he must be away since I haven't seen him post recently. I hope he enjoys his vacation, and hope that he sees this thread :)
  5. Disman_ca

    Disman_ca Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Don't forget, Thibor like many of the firmware devs here do this for free. Tip you hat to him and click the paypal link on his site.
  6. ccbadd

    ccbadd Network Guru Member

    Disman_ca, I have all the respect in the world for Thibor and think 15c is great, only needs to have a setting to trigger ddns update every 28 days or so. I don't, however, agree that he does this for free. You even mentioned the paypal link that I and many of the other patrons of this site have used to show our appreciation in monetary terms.

    As far as vpn, I really don't think the WRT's have the cpu for any real usuable vpn support. I would love to see Thibor put out a custom WRV200 firmware once the base fw is fully stable. That would give you all the features of Thibor 15c allong with MIMO wireless, IPSec vpn, and QuickVPN for ~$70US. Dare to dream!
  7. slamcat

    slamcat Network Guru Member

    The difference is, though, you aren't FORCED to click on the link to Paypal to use the firmware. There is a difference, and some firmwares out there (not naming names, most of you know which one I'm talking about) require a yearly payment.

    So, for the most part, he IS doing this for free. He does have to incur hardware costs when people start asking him to port the firmware over to a different machine (which he has done).
  8. chantililace

    chantililace LI Guru Member

    I thought DD-WRT firmware has some kind of VPN support using the WRT54G ?
  9. ccbadd

    ccbadd Network Guru Member

    slamcat, I don't remember any ports of Thibor firmwares to non-wrt's and as I recall, Thibor owned a wrt before he started to work on the firmware so I don't think he incurred any additional hardware costs. From what I recall, he did buy a wrt300n that died or something but I'm sure he recieved in donations more then what that cost. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with the donations as I have donated myself. I just wanted to point out that as soon as he started to accept donations it was no longer completely FREE. I guess that is just the purist in me.

    As far as DD-WRT is concerned, Thirbor's firmware is a lot more stable without all the extra junk added in. I really do think the wrt platform is a poor choice for vpn functionality unless it is used rarely for support or the like.
  10. chantililace

    chantililace LI Guru Member

    It will give a a nice option to access something quick remotely from your network, which is useful.
  11. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    hmm, whilst what you initially stated is accurate, and i did buy a WRT300N that died, my outlay for hardware has FAR exceeded that which i have received via donations, but you are entitled to your opinion. the firmware is free, and will continue to be so, without any sort of subscription, nag screen or begging. you can be as puritan as you wish, but if you are going to make arbitrary statement such as you have, at least make sure that it is accurate. For the Record, i have:

    2x WRT54GS v1
    2x WRT54GS v1.1
    1x WRT54GS v3
    5x WRT54GS v4(one converted to Gv4)
    1x WRT54G v2
    1x WRT54G v3
    2x WRTSL54GS (imported)
    1x WRT300N v1(imported)
    1x RV042
    1x WRT54GX (donated)
    1x WRT54GX4 (donated)
  12. ccbadd

    ccbadd Network Guru Member


    I wasn't trying to batter you or anything, just stating a general point of view about projects that take donations, not just your firmware. As far as all those routers go, are they in service? Why would you need 5 v4's for development, or more then one of any of them unless some have gone to the router graveyard?
  13. frode3

    frode3 Network Guru Member

    what a load of ****

    i dont understand your problem? are you saying that a project that has the possibility to make donations make it a firmware you pay for!? in my general point of view thats crap!
  14. lwf-

    lwf- Network Guru Member

    Stop it ccbadd, youre just making a fool of yourself. The firmware is free and if you donate to Thibor he can do anything he wants for the money for all I care.
  15. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Please do not take offense to this, but...
    are you my wife?
    since when do i have to justify to anybody what i buy?
    if i were a child, or a simpleton i could perhaps understand your line of questioning, but since i am not; please refrain from questioning me on any subject apart from the functionality or the code of the firmware.

    now please, close this line as this thread is straying far from it's intended subject of VPN.
  16. ccbadd

    ccbadd Network Guru Member

    Dodge w/ insult. Nice response, are we on an elementary playground!!

    Anyway, do you think the WRT's have the horsepower for anything more then part time vpn use?
  17. pablito

    pablito Network Guru Member

    ?? Perhaps you are. or maybe just another hillbilly lawyer trying to pick apart other people's decisions. I don't get the problem.

    Free, or free with optional donation is not a problem and nobody's business to analyze.

    I'm not a programmer but also have a closet full of hardware that I use to develop ideas, techniques, or help other people. If I was a programmer I'd have a lot more. If they were bought, borrowed, or donated, it is nobody's business and makes no difference.

    But this thread is about VPN on the WRT. And has been answered. But feel free to grab some source and try it yourself.

    We all appreciate Thibor and the fine work he does. Just don't question his life and we won't question yours.
  18. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    i actually don't think that the 54g/gs's are capable of vpn, at least not full time anyway, and when you add ipsec, things get even more complicated, and slow.
  19. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    you should also have a WRV200 soon afaik.
  20. chantililace

    chantililace LI Guru Member

    Hi Thibor,

    If you don't mind me asking, what will it include for VPN? The reason I am asking is that you brought it up briefly in another post (I linked to it in my original thread at the beginning) that you will incorporate some sort of VPN capability.

  21. SirDracula

    SirDracula Network Guru Member


    For those interested in VPN, Hamachi is a nice way of doing it without relying on the router or opening any ports:

  22. kop48

    kop48 Network Guru Member

    I have a WRT54GL running DD-WRT and OpenVPN, as well as being my Wireless Access Point. VPN works fine, no dropouts, can stay up for ages and the router hasn't melted yet. However, I wouldn't push my luck and try to run more than one endpoint at once - I only use this to tunnel back home from the one computer at the same time. Therefore, yes the WRTxxx routers CAN do VPN if you want them to, but not very effectively. I also don't know how much space Thibor's firmware is now taking up, nor its memory usage, so I have no idea if implementing the OpenVPN - or even IPsec tunneling - client would bring the router to its knees.

    Any ideas on this, Thibor?

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