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WDS Setup

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by kinemax, Dec 1, 2004.

  1. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    In a WDS setup using WRT54Gs, do both WRT54Gs need to operate in AP mode?

    If not, can I substitute the non-AP one with a BEFW11S4?

    TIA.
     
  2. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    Yes, both devices should be in AP mode. (As opposed to say Client mode.)

    When setting up any WDS connection, the first thing you need to do is make sure both devices support WDS. A brief look through the Linksys firmware change logs and google search for "BEFW11S4 +WDS" suggests to me that the BEFW11S4 does NOT support WDS... (you may want to do your own research)

    That means the only way to get your BEFW11S4 & WRT54G talking is to load a custom firmware on the WRT that supports client mode. The only catch being that client mode will prevent any wireless devices from associating with the WRT, meaning that you can only use it's wired LAN ports. Sveasoft Satori supports client mode but with the limitations that the wireless connection cannot be using WPA and only a single LAN port can be used. (The device plugged into that port could be a switch though...) Alchemy will support multiple devices in client mode as well as WPA on the wireless side.

    Good Luck.
     
  3. none

    none Network Guru Member

    Are you sure that you can plug a switch with multiple PCs connected to it? I thought that the Satori 1 client limitation was at network level (MAC address or something like that?) and not at the physical switch level.

    Anyone?

    Thanks.
     
  4. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    *Shrug* I'll admit I've never tried it and I can't find the original post that I read but here's another one where Sveasoft says it should work. (Then again it's an old post and someone else posted that they had no luck... When in doubt test it yourself and let us know!)
     
  5. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    Thanks for the replies and info.

    Is there any functional description of these two different AP vs. Client modes?
     
  6. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    AP = Access Point and AP mode is what you want to choose if you want to allow wireless clients to be able to connect to (associate with) your router. (The router is essentially in AP mode when running the original Linksys firmware.)

    Client mode makes the router fuction like a Wireless NIC. That is, it allows the router to connect to another router or AP as if the WRT54G were a wireless client. The effectively gives you functionality similar to the more expensive WET54G Wireless-G Ethernet Bridge and the WGA54G Wireless-G Game Adapter. (By the way, if anyone reading this has used both those devices I'd appreciate some comments here: WET54G vs. WGA54G) The catch is that in Client mode no wireless client can associate with the WRT54G.
     
  7. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    I completed my WDS setup using two WRT54G-v2 and Satori-4.0. I was surprised to find out that in the Client mode I am able to use two or more LAN ports on the Client WRT54G. It appears that the difference is in Client mode the PCs on the Client WRT54G can connect to the Internet but not to each other nor other PCs on remote LAN, whereas in the AP mode they can.
     
  8. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    But why would you leave one of the WRTs in Client mode? There are known problems with using more than 1 LAN port in Client mode while all LAN ports can be used in AP mode... ? (Or were you just saying those were your results while testing?)
     
  9. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    I was just experimenting to see how the Client mode works.
     
  10. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    Ah, I should have figured. Glad you got it all working. :)
     
  11. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    I also tried to get a WRT in Client mode to work with my old BEF11S4 but I was not successful.
     
  12. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    I just want to report that I am finally able to get my WRT54G in client mode to work with my BEFW11S4. The client WRT is setup based on the guide http://homepage.ntlworld.com/linksysinfo/WDS_WRT54GS_SETUP_GUIDE.pdf. The problem I had appears to be due to the use of wireless MAC filtering on the BEFW11S4. For some reason, even adding the MAC addresses of the client WRT and the attached PC to the filter list did not work, but disabling the wireless MAC filtering entirely and then power-cycling the BEFW11S4 did it.
     
  13. g_costanza

    g_costanza Guest

    Thanks buddy! Would this work for the WRT54G as well?
     
  14. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    Yes, I have now successfully tried this with both a WRT54G AP and a BEFW11S4 AP. With the BEFW11S4 AP I can get only one PC connected through the Client WRT54G, whereas with the WRT54G AP it seems that I can get more than one PC connected through the Client WRT54G.
     
  15. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    I discovered today I'm able to get two PCs connected through a Client WRT54G to a BEFW11S4 AP (and on to the rest of my home network and the Internet). Unfortunately this condition cannot be replicated deterministically after I power-cycle the AP! I have not made any change to my Client & AP settings since I first setup the Client some months ago so I have no idea what made it come and go.
     
  16. kinemax

    kinemax Network Guru Member

    I recently replaced my BEFW11S4 AP with a Belkin F5D7230-4 (frequently on sale these days for between $10-20 after mail-in rebate) running stock firmware with wireless bridging mode enabled. The client-mode (using WRT54G running Satori) now works consistently and reliably with multiple client PCs.
     

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