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What is the best router for PC client to router VPN connections?

Discussion in 'Cisco Small Business Routers and VPN Solutions' started by Autobahn97, Dec 10, 2006.

  1. Autobahn97

    Autobahn97 LI Guru Member

    I have owned a WRV54G (latest FW) that I have never been been able to VPN into. It would be sweet if VPN 'just worked' like the Cisco VPN I use at work - of course I'm not will to spend Cisco $$$ on my home connection plus it's complicated stuff to set up.

    Anyway - my WRV54G is on the fritz and I am looking to replace it. What is the best router for me to purchase that will allow client PC to Router connections? I don't think I will ever use router to router VPN so I'm not concerned with that. Also - my client laptop would be attempting to VPN to my future new home router from behind a PIX firewall at work or some private home network (behind any linksys or similar router). It's OK if it doesn't have wireless as that's easy enough to add. The RVL200 looks interesting with VPN over SSL (Linksys's first offering of VPN over SSL) but I'm wondering if is works well. Otherwise the WRV200 seems to be a good value as it has everything but the new VPN over SSL.

    I play mostly online games at home like BF2142 - sometimes small LAN parties with a few PC's at home connecting outbound to the Internet game server and want to have a router with good power for gaming. The VPN is just for me to RDP to my PC from other places if I need data - something that happens often. Ideally I would be able to connect to the Linksys device with my existing Cisco VPN client already installed on my work laptop (if possible) - I hear multiple VPN clients on 1 PC can interfear with each other. Any advice on the best VPN router is greatly ppreciated.
     
  2. jgutz20

    jgutz20 Network Guru Member

    it sounds like your on the right trail to me. I would go with something in the RV lineup if your looking for a single device to take care of everything without some sort of server.
     
  3. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    for ease the RVL and a SSL VPN session is very easy as long as you run MSIE or a compatable SSL Browser. the WRV200 is however a different unit altogether. it is stable as long as it is not pushed however it does have compatability issues, but its price is ideal.
     
  4. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I'm coming from the WRV54G side of the house. I've always been able to vpn into mine (dating back to 2.36.5) whether it was router to router or using quickvpn. The best firmware version for it was 2.37.13 (which is available here).

    I've never used the RV series but everyone is always talking about their stability.

    That being said, an option (as Toxic stated) is the WRV200. It's a good little unit with "hell of" features for the price. Right now, we're still trying to get it under control, but the good news is that it's improving each month through our linksysinfo alpha testing team.

    In a pinch, it works great as an access point and you can still run Qos through it to handle VOIP services like Vonage or Lingo.

    IMHO, the wrv200 is a good vpn router, whether using quickvpn or a router to router configuration (I haven't configured it with a third party client as of yet but that's next on the list). I don't recall anyone speaking about hosting it for LAN parties but I've heard the RVS400 (which is also a vpn router) has performed good for LAN parties because it's a gigabit router...

    Jay
     
  5. Wirelezz

    Wirelezz LI Guru Member

    i tried them all. from g/gl/srx/srx200/srx400 they all where junk !!
    Now my 635 mimo D link blew my mind . I use to hate Dlink but the blow away linksys so far
    655 is next
     
  6. Autobahn97

    Autobahn97 LI Guru Member

    Thanks for all the input. I am leaning towards the WRV200 as it is inexpensive enough to give a try and give away to a family memer if it doesn't work out for me. The next step up ould be the RVL plus a separate WAP as SSL is very nice. One more question - does the VPN client (fat client or SSL client in the case of RVL) work on Windows XP x64 edition? Anyone try on Vista yet? I know both the Cisco fat client and SSL will not support XP x64.
     
  7. YeOldeStonecat

    YeOldeStonecat Network Guru Member

    I've done many many RV0 series..as the PPTP VPN is rock solid..unless your windows system is hosed..it always works.

    I had held back on the QuickVPN client..recently had a client with a high amount of users...30+ VPN users...so I recently replaced their old PIX 501 with an RV016. It's been pretty good..I've had 2x users that act up on me...
     
  8. markbjohnson

    markbjohnson LI Guru Member

    Can anyone point to any intructions for configuring the normal Cisco VPN client Autobhan97 references (the one normally used with PIX boxes) to work with the WRV/RV series routers instead of QuickVPN?
     
  9. Autobahn97

    Autobahn97 LI Guru Member

    I too would be very curious too see if anyone can get the standard PIX fat client (currently v4.6) to work connecting to any Linksys device. Also - a Q for We OldeStonecat - can the RV0 series terminate an encrypted PPTP tunnel or are you just passing ports back to a Windows server on the backside? My understanding is that LinkSys devices only terminate IPsec.
     
  10. YeOldeStonecat

    YeOldeStonecat Network Guru Member

    It does indeed terminate...it has a full blown PPTP VPN server built into it. Up to 5x usernames/sessions is the limitation however. If you have more VPN clients than 5 (concurrently, and/or separate usernames)..you're stuck with QuickVPN.
     
  11. Autobahn97

    Autobahn97 LI Guru Member

    That's great that the RV is essentially a PPTP server, however I understand that PPTP in itself is NOT encrypted - at least with a traditional Windows PPTP Server you need to run MPPE to add the encryption and that is fairly light encryption. Does anyone know what level of encryption (if any) the PPTP supports? Also - is it only the RV0xx series that supports the PPTP server or does the newer WRV200, RVS4000, and RVL200 support PPTP also and have people gotten it working reliably?
     
  12. YeOldeStonecat

    YeOldeStonecat Network Guru Member

    It is encrypted, can Google to see the improvements done in MS Chap and the other protocols.

    Yes it's not as secure as IPSec. However...your security is in how you use them. For part time, dynamic connections...I consider it quite fine. Meaning..the road warrior dialing in from a hotel, or for a few hours from home.

    Also consider what you're running through the tunnel. Often people VPN in to use RDC..which is itself secure.

    However..for full time 24x7 connections...from static IP addresses..I'd not consider it, I'd use IPSec.
     
  13. cyberpsych1

    cyberpsych1 Network Guru Member

    The WRV200 does not support an internal PPTP server; you have to pass GRE through it to an MS vpn server (I do it all the time). As far as I know, the rvs4000 and the rvl200 do not have internal PPTP servers either.

    Jay
     
  14. scottwilkins

    scottwilkins LI Guru Member

    I've had more luck with the RV equipment than any other. I use an RV082 at my main office and RV042's at all the remotes. Just got one of the new RVL200's and so far I like it, but it's admin navigation seems very slow compared to the RV0's. The RV's are the only router I've been able to get a software VPN solution working so far in the lower end of the router market. (under $1000 that is...) Just FYI, The biggest issue I see most having is that they need a good WINS server on the office side to make the VPN tunnel experience seemless.
     
  15. Autobahn97

    Autobahn97 LI Guru Member

    Thanks to everyone for all the great info. If terminating PPTP at an RV0xx series router is the most painless and doesn't require an MS server then it seems like the best bet for me as not all my clients have Win Servers to run PPTP on. I'll be curious to hear about Linksys's implementation of SSL VPN with the RVL as people start to deploy it.
     

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