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WNR3500L + Tomato (Shibby) + 300MB/s Internet Issue

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by sandspike, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    I recently got a 300Mb/s internet connection, and I am using a Netgear WNR3500L router. All the ports are gigE on the modem and the WNR3500L (I verified the link rate on the modem and the router, they all see gigE). However, when I speed test over the internet, it caps it at 100Mb/s. If I use their router, no issues. I am running Tomato (shibby). Any ideas?
     
  2. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

  3. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    Reading more, seems like CTF and FastNAT are the issues, and not in any major build of Tomato. Any recommendations?
     
  4. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    K26 has build-in module bcm_nat. Did you try to enable it?

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  5. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    I haven't tried that yet, what screen is that on? And you think that should fix the problem?
    That would be awesome. I will give it a try.
     
  6. blacklotus83

    blacklotus83 Network Newbie Member

  7. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    Where was it enabled at?
     
  8. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    Ok, I figured out how to put it in the Init Script, and now I get 230Mb/s down, instead of 320Mb/s. Upload is about the same at 200ish. Can the WNR3500L not handle 320Mb/s, or is it the firmware? Running Tomato Shibby 117 now. I did an NVRAM clear. I use shibby because I need VPN and SSHd.
     
  9. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    I tried this as well to enable CTF, it made things worse. Last post on page 2.
    http://tomatousb.org/forum/t-599700/shibby-wan-port-speed

    "
    Alternatively, if you're tethered to TomatUSB for some reason, disable QoS totally. If you have 200Mbit connection, you'll have an equally generous upstream bandwidth to match. You don't need QoS for torrent users that refuse to set client limits. Those user problems can be resolved socially or with a baseball bat.

    Go to the firewall script and add the following line, which is effectively "CTF":

    iptables -t filter -I FORWARD -m state —state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j NOTRACK"
     
  10. Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian

    Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian Serious Server Member

    CTF module it's not even available in Tomato... that checkbox and NVRAM are there but the module is not.
    You could try to test what happens if you install 117 Extras and load the module from extras with "insmod /opt/extras/ctf.ko" adjust the path to your extras there...
    Besides QOS and BW limiter (bcm_nat), this also breaks Access Restriction, but I couldn't test if this method is viable or if it even works ... You could test and report back!
     
  11. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    Thank you so much for the help. After reading and reading. With the additional QOS, BW Limiting, Access restriction, we don't seem to be able to support faster than 100Mb/s in tomato. I think I saw that Victek has been adjusting some of his builds to get above that, but still not 320Mb/s or 1Gb/s like I will have this summer. So I have three options, run the ISP router, and lose most of the tomato features or live with the lower speed or get an expensive non-consumer router that has the features I want. From all I am reading it seems like DD-WRT is in worse shape. I have to admit, most of the configuration options you guys are talking about are slightly beyond me. Install extra features into my router.....whew.....I usually just run the stock shibby or victek firmwares. So what do you guys recommend? Super fast internet, soon to be 1Gb/s, what hardware and firmware would you run? Knowing that I love tomato, but I must have the speed.
     
  12. Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian

    Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian Serious Server Member

    Damn, I really wanted that test result!
    Unzip this to a usb stick and run insmod to ctf.ko...
     

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  13. david3

    david3 Addicted to LI Member

    I haven't used them myself, but for a fast non-tomato router, I've heard good things about the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite.
     
  14. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    If you let me know what I need to run, I might be able to test it tonight.

    Sounds like I need to NVRAM erase
    then telnet into the box, run the insmod command. Not sure if the path changes for me.
    Then run speedtest again.
     
  15. Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian

    Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian Serious Server Member

    I'm a user like you.. :( I don't think you need to do anything just unzip and do the insmod /pathtoctf.ko/ctf.ko
    These tests were done years ago by Tomato comunnity, but then the speed was not an issue.
    I don't think it's just that simple, but maybe you could try... I have 50 mbps so I don't know what you can expect! I used the module for over a week and haven't noticed anything bad, but speed increase? I don't know!
    It just broke Access Limiter but I was expecting that.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
  16. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    1) disable QoS and BW Limiter (if enabled)
    2) go to tools -> system command, write command "modprobe bcm_nat" and execute
    3) go to logs and check last lin. you should see BCM: fast NAT
    4) check your internet speed
    5) if bcm_nat helped you then go to administration -> scripts -> init and put here "modprobe bcm_nat" and save

    thats all

    REMEMBER: bcm_nat gives you about 30% boots to internet speed. This router cannot suport 300mbps internet speed. You have to think about replace your router to newer, stronger and faster model.
     
  17. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    Awesome, thanks shibby.

    Is there a bigger fast model that supports tomato, that would support 300Mb/s to 1Gb/s?
     
  18. Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian

    Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian Serious Server Member

    Those speeds are not reachable with todays hardware, not without using CTF (or something similar)! Even 300-400mbps is hard to reach!
     
  19. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    So fastnat or BCM_nat help some, 30%, but only CTF will give full speed. And CTF is incompatible with many tomato features. So either tomato or speed, not both. Correct?
     
  20. Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian

    Mihai Olimpiu-Cristian Serious Server Member

    Yeah... that sums it pretty well! :) No one is saying it loud and clear, but that is the sad truth!
    Tomato (and the likes) has other advantages tough, like full control, and my god, stability, and when they work - great features! I wouldn't trade it for anything else but, as I said, I only want or need a 50mbps line!
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
  21. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    All arm based router can support huge speeds. I tested ac68 with tomato with ctf and i've got more than 700mbps from wan.

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  22. sandspike

    sandspike LI Guru Member

    Very interesting....any issues with the AC68? Standard load from your site, any special settings? I was considering the Netgear R7000, but it appears it isn't yet supported. Newegg has a great price right now, $168 USD.
     
  23. Netwet

    Netwet Reformed Router Member

    700mbps with or without CTF is the question?
     
  24. kIssGlaY

    kIssGlaY Serious Server Member

    of course with CTF. without it maybe merely 250mbps
     
  25. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    with CTF (CTF works on tomato-arm only).

    look yourself (from 4:00mins):
     
  26. Netwet

    Netwet Reformed Router Member


    Does anyone have a list of features that cannot be used if CTF is enabled?
    Obviously CTF must have side effects otherwise Asus would not add an option in the gui that allows to switch it off.
    Does tomato disable CTFautomatically if feature xy is enabled?
    What is the speed without CTF.
     

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