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WRE54G installation - ping vs web access

Discussion in 'Networking Issues' started by WirelessInn, Jan 15, 2007.

  1. WirelessInn

    WirelessInn LI Guru Member

    I am in the process of trying to install a WRE54G to extend range of my WRT54G. I have turned off WPA/WEP on the router and I seem to be able to have the WRE recognize the router (sometimes - this is a tricky device!) But then I run into a problem in trying to access the WRE's internal web page.
    My wireless network is set on 192.169.0.xx; the router is set accordingly, and so is my wireless laptop. However, the WRE comes with standard address 192.168.1.240, which I'd like to change to 192.168.0.xx. I can ping the device from my laptop if I connect it to the laptop via cat5 cable, but I cannot access the WRE internal web page from anywhere (via wired or wireles). Any problem with having my 192.168.0.xxx network trying to access the internal web page of the 192.168.1.240 WRE54G? I even tried to open up the WRE by cat5 connecting it to another network at my business which is set up as 192.168.1.xx. I still cannot connect to the WRE54G's internal web page.
    Any help?
    I will appreciate: this semms to be a recurring situation when trying to access Linksys internal web pages to change setiings, without going to the even more cumbersome install CDs!
    Many thanks!
    - Roger T
     
  2. rlyacht

    rlyacht LI Guru Member

    Roger, you should temporarily change your network settings to a static IP of 192.168.1.100 (or something like that). It doesn't matter what you set gateway to (or DNS). Plug the WRE54G in and you should be able to go to 192.168.1.204. That worked for me in the sense that I was able to go to the page and change settings.

    Having said, that I still can't get this thing to work. It's very frustrating. I have a note in to tech support at linksys and I post the solution I get.
     
  3. WirelessInn

    WirelessInn LI Guru Member

    Yeah, that's what I thought. That's something that hdware manufacturers do not think about nor insert into their "documentations". At some point, I did get the blue lights to coincide, but it seems that the WRE54G has some other problems. A good idea probably, but one that seems to function best in some particular sets of situations, as witnessed for example in the extensive - and otherwise good - user information and feedback found following the Amazon.com listing of the WRE54G as a product they sell. You might peruse that sector if you have not yet. A number of people there seem to have failed to make the thing work, but an equal number of others are fairly happy with the albeit limited capabilities of the extender.
    An example of Amazon customer/WRE54G user input:

    "Here goes:
    1-Disable WEP on your Router or AP
    2-Hold the auto-configuration button for 30 seconds(if everything goes well both lights on the expander will turn blue) and unplug while still holding button. Plug back in after 10-15 secs.
    3-open your Internet explorer browser and type 192.168.1.240 (default ip of expander), a window will pop up. leave the user name blank and put admin as a password (this is default password).
    4-make sure that the default gateway and subnet mask settings are identical with your Router or AP,change password on the expander if desired & save settings. (all settings should be correct due to auto configuration)
    5-Enable WEP on the expander, once again remember use same settings as in your Router or AP, save settings again.
    6-Go to your Router or Ap settings and enable WEP. Bang you're DONE. Enjoy"

    My problem is also that I am trying to use the thing with a Proxim/Orinoco AP and the extender does not pick up its signal at all!

    - Roger T
     
  4. WirelessInn

    WirelessInn LI Guru Member

    rlyacht,

    I am getting to think that I buy Linksys products just because I am getting used to their idiosynchrasis - i.e. the products' installation instructions are basically somehow flawed (even though I am sure they work if one makes a few adjustments to what the manuals say!)
    I have given the WRE54G a final lick... before possibly electing to return it (I bought it from a local vendor - more $$$ then online of course - for the sole purpose of being able to return it with no hassles!) - this seems to work:

    0. DO NOTHING to your wireless router (mine is a stock WRT54G v.5) - leave Router's IP address/channel alone and encryption (WPA or WPE) in place if you are using such protection. That's what I like about those steps: no disruption of the wireless network's settings in use! Also, my wireless laptop is at this point in range of the Wireless Router. Sat Internet Modem > WRT54G ...>... 50ft wireless ...>...Wireless Laptop used to setup the WRE54G. NOTE: That Laptop can actually be any computer. Preferably however one normally used as wireless laptop on the network including the Internet connection>B'Band Modem>Wireless router or AP>WRE54G.

    1. Change the IP of that computer/laptop you will be using to setup the WRE54G IP/access the WRE's internal web screen, if needed - i.e. if that computer's IP (from the local LAN NIC, not the wireless card) is on another subnet than 192.168.1.xx. Use something like 192.168.1.1 for example. You reminded me of that in your earlier response.

    2. MAKE SURE that your internet connection via b'band modem DOES NOT at this time do through a proxy - mine normally does (Satellite Internet provider=Direcway/Hughes - proxy server advised/required). You have to dig really deep into Linksys EsyAnswer/KB site to even see that suggestion!! Momentarily disable proxy server in IE > Tools > Internet Options > Connections > LAN settings.

    3. Power up and connect the WRE (I have version 3) to that computer's newly re-IP'd LAN port.

    4. Just to make sure that a LAN connection has been established, ping the WRE thus connected. Should return satisfactory result.

    5. Access the WRE's web screen via 192.168.1.240. Screen should come up. Defaut PW is of course admin.

    6. And now we are ready to enter specific information pertaining to your wireless network, as follows:
    a. Enter - if necessary - the IP address you want the WRE54G to have on your wireless network - to be on same subnet as Wireless router used for your wireless network.
    b. Same with subnet and gateway
    c. Check mode (mixed/b or g only)
    d. Enter new SSID and enable/disable broadcast - same settings as Wireless Router's.

    7. Now it is time to select/enter Wireless Security settings: actually same settings as your Wireless Router's.

    8. Change the WRE54G password while you are at it! Save settings and that's it! Just unplug the WRE54G from power outlet AND LAN connection to the computer used to set up the Extender; place/power up the WRE54G somewhere appropriate a bit away from the laptop, in range of the Wireless Router, and in sight from the wireless laptop for initial testing - just so you can see if the blue lights come on: they should in the following sequence - top blue > top red/bottom blue > both blue if everything is OK.) To initially test-drive everything, I placed the WRE54g about 30ft from the Wireless Router and 20ft from the wireless laptop (which I make sure still connects to the Wireless Router.)

    9. Now experiment with the new connection with the WRE54G. It should kick in as the stronger connection right away if you reboot or if you disable/then re-enable the wireless connection on the wireless laptop. You'll see that when you are connecting to/using the WRE54G to connect to your Wireless Router, the signal strength is indeed higher. In fact, if you can run NetStumbler and thus run a Site Survey, you'll see that two APs show up, same network SSID (i.e. the Wireless Router and the WRE54G.) Of course the WRE54G will show much stronger signals.

    10. Then if all is OK, experiment with placing the WRE54G as suggested otherwise - i.e. at the periphery of the wireless range obtained by just using the Wireless Router.

    11. Seems to work so far. I do not otherwise detect loss of signal or b'band speed. This thing does seem to work. I assume that in case of presence of signals from BOTH the Wireless Router and the WRE54G at a given location (since both devices are on same channel/SSID/Protection scheme), one might have to reset the wireless connection on the remote(s) laptops (or to reboot) to allow it(them) to pick just one (the stronger of course) connection.

    12 Lemme know if this works. As I mentioned previously, I was looking all along for a way to set up the WRE54G without having to go thu the rigamarole of changing other settings elsewhere on the network!

    - roger T
     
  5. rlyacht

    rlyacht LI Guru Member

    Roger, thanks a lot for posting such detailed instructions.

    I managed to configure the WRE54G. I set the ESSID to something different from my WRT54G's so I could tell the difference. And indeed I saw both in "show available wireless networks", as well as in Net Stumbler.

    When I select it as from the list of wireless connections, it says that it is connected, but I can't ping the WRE54G or any other machine on my network. I initially tried this with the laptop set to use DHCP; when it failed to acquire and address, I switched to static IP. Neither worked. I also tried using the same ESSID as on my WRT54G.

    So now I'm wondering if the issue has to do with the fact that my WRT45G is not my network router - it's just acting as a substitue for my deceased WAP11 wireless access point.

    I am basically ready to give up and buy a new product (maybe http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineWirelessAccessPoints/WGXB102.aspx). Unfortunatley , I tossed the outer box so I can't return it. I may give Linksys a piece of my mind though. I am fairly experienced with this kind of thing, and it's defeating me :mad: Of course I am still waiting to hear from tech support; maybe they can help me.

    For the record, here is info on my settings on the WRE54G

    IP 192.168.0.240
    gw 192.168.0.254 (the address of my WRT54G)
    ESSID blah (different from WRT54G)
     
  6. WirelessInn

    WirelessInn LI Guru Member

    rlyacht,
    Thanks for the acknowledgement. I was actually pretty happy to have - once again - circumvented Linksys obscure instructions!

    You state:
    "I managed to configure the WRE54G. I set the ESSID to something different from my WRT54G's so I could tell the difference. And indeed I saw both in "show available wireless networks", as well as in Net Stumbler."
    So you did get into the WRE's internal web page. You must have been able also at that time to ping the device through your installation computer (BTW, do u have a v.1,2 or 3 WREr4G?) RE: SSID, seems that Linksys only says to use same SSID for the WRE as the one for the WRT (but it seems that you later tried that approach)

    You state:
    "When I select it as from the list of wireless connections, it says that it is connected, but I can't ping the WRE54G or any other machine on my network."
    Disabling and re-enabling the wireless connection could be tried following completion of setting up the WRE and getting it ready to communicate, to force your wireless computer to use the WRE connection. BTW, are you able to connect to your WRT while not being able to do so with the WRE? ALSO, same channel on the WRT and the WRE. Seems that the WRE prefers to have everything the same as the AP it picks up its signal from. Contrary to using a WAP54G as a repeater for example: in this case, the Linksys instructions mention explicitly that the SSID can be different between the two machine. BUT, the WAP54G set up as a repeater needs to have the router's MAC number entered into its own settings. The WRE does not go through that.

    You state:
    " I initially tried this with the laptop set to use DHCP; when it failed to acquire and address, I switched to static IP. Neither worked. I also tried using the same ESSID as on my WRT54G."
    The WRE should work in a DHCP assignment environment. And you did try same SSID on both the WRE and the WRT. Hmm!

    You state:
    "So now I'm wondering if the issue has to do with the fact that my WRT45G is not my network router - it's just acting as a substitue for my deceased WAP11 wireless access point."
    I am not sure what you mean by "substitute". I.e., is the WRE supposed to get its signal from the WRT or not? The WRE is very picky about what kind of device it is able to get/repeat signal from. I tried my WRE on another wireless network (with Proxim/Orinoco AP). No dice: the WRE would not pick up anything from the "foreign" AP.

    You state:
    "I am basically ready to give up and buy a new product (maybe http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe.../WGXB102.aspx). Unfortunatley , I tossed the outer box so I can't return it. I may give Linksys a piece of my mind though. I am fairly experienced with this kind of thing, and it's defeating me Of course I am still waiting to hear from tech support; maybe they can help me."
    I say, trust me, this device really works when set up; I was surprized myself, since it has gotten fairly bad press (except on Amazon.com, where out of 300+ users/reviewers, way over half have managed to get the thing going and are happy with it). Hang in there! NOTE: I have tried external antennas - even more complex installation procedures!

    You state:
    "For the record, here is info on my settings on the WRE54G
    IP 192.168.0.240
    gw 192.168.0.254 (the address of my WRT54G)
    ESSID blah (different from WRT54G)"
    I would venture: the gw address should be that of the internet gateway/modem itself I believe, not of the router itself. I have my WRT54G's address set at 192.168.0.250, but the gateway address i use in the WRE settings is that of my Satellite modem - 192.168.0.1. Also, I still would say - as the "help" in the WRE web screen indicates, that ALL entries in the WRE setup screen have to be the same as those of the router (escept of course for the WRE's IP address itself) - subnet, gateway, SSID, mode, channel, security settings.

    Lemme know!

    I am glad I could help for once: i usually use the forums to BEG for assistance, and I have found some excellent, patient people to help out indeed!

    - roger T
     
  7. Hi
    thanks for the information it is very useful for me.
     
  8. mindracing

    mindracing Guest

    There's some great help here and I'm still struggling.

    I can access the set-up page through 192.168.1.240 and auto config seems to have worked, both lights being blue.

    However, I get no difference in signal strength.

    Should I be able to see the WRE from the DHCP clients table from my WRT54GS?

    I can't!

    The SSID of both units is the same. I did, at one point, see the WRE listed seperately in the Available Wireless Networks list. When connecting to it, it vanished and hasn't been seen since.

    Any help would be appreciated.
     

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