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WRT300N-UK V2.0 Review *UPDATED*...

Discussion in 'Cisco/Linksys Wireless Routers' started by Stimpy, Jun 14, 2006.

  1. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Hi all, I just wanted to tell you about my experiences with the new WRT300N-UK v2.0.


    I have been waiting to upgrade my old WRT54GS, which has been a fantastic piece of kit over the years. It's been working reliably for a very long time, with the excellent DD-WRT firmware running the show. Well, I finally got an email from a company here in the UK, telling me that they will be getting the WRT300N in stock within the next few days. So I thought about it (for 2 seconds!!!) and clicked the buy now button!

    I got the new router the next day, and was surprised to see that it looked different to the pictures that I’ve been seeing all over the net for the last few months. The router is a completely different colour to the older v1.0. The v2.0 has a silver lid, grey sides, and a smoked black plastic rim at the front, which has the status LED's inside, which are quite dim, I must say, about 25% of the brightness of my old WRT54GS, and quite hard to see in daylight. (This might please those that don’t like to see flashing lights! Or have their router in the living room, and don’t like the distraction.) The lights are quite standard for Linksys routers, they are, from left to right… Power, which is orange while starting up/resetting/updating the firmware. Next are the Ethernet Port Status lights which are all green, and flash rapidly when activity is occurring. Next is the Internet/Modem port status light, which is green, and flashes to show activity. The next light is Wireless activity, and the last light is for showing if you are running a secured wireless network or not. Green for secure, and orange for un-secure. One thing to note, is a round black sticker, placed over what appears to be a push button, on the top front of the router. It is labelled as “For Future Useâ€, this is the same as the v1.0.

    Linksys still uses the same standard (power output) Linksys power adaptor, which is quite small, and very much like a Nokia mobile charger now. It's rated at 12v, 1amp output. The polarity of the connector is also the same, centre positive, so you can use your older Linksys adaptors, if you don’t fancy ripping your old one out, if you’re upgrading. I had the router wired up and running within 3 minutes. It was that easy! I went to the setup menu, and noticed that it was firmware version 2.00.8, and a quick check on the Linksys UK download page said they had a newer version available (v2.00.11), so I downloaded it, and upgraded. (Please note that the Linksys UK site has this firmware file listed under the WRT300N v1, there is no v2 listed on the site. It seems to be a mistake on Linksys UK’s part. This v2 firmware does NOT work on the old v1 unit.) The upgrade process is still pretty much identical to my old WRT54GS router. The firmware is very good, stable, but slightly Spartan to what DD-WRT has got me used to! One thing worth mentioning is that many settings require the router to re-boot, and this takes quite some time, around 50 seconds or so. I really hope BrainSlayer makes a version of his brilliant DD-WRT for this router, as I bet he would make the most out of what seems like much improved hardware over the old WRT54GS router.

    The web interface is the fastest that I have ever seen from a Linksys router, I've owned 3 different ones now (WRT54G,WRT54GS,WRT300N). It is standard Linksys fare, and will be easy going for any previous Linksys owners. Linksys have implemented a DHCP reservation button in the setup, which is a fantastic idea, and makes sure that your IP address does not change under DHCP, as it locks your IP to your MAC address, and so remembers what it allocated to you when the DHCP lease expires.

    The WRT300N supports all modes of wireless security, including… WEP, PSK Personal, PSK2 Personal, PSK2 Enterprise, and Radius Encryption protocols.

    One thing I have to complain about is the help pages that Linksys provide inside the firmware. It is out of date, and has as many holes in it as a piece of Swiss cheese! Linksys really need to up their game in this respect, as a new router can be hard to get to know, especially if there are new features that are not explained properly, if at all! Bad or out-of-date help seems to be the way things are in the Networking firmware world!

    Right, on to the part where I tell you what you have been waiting for... How does it work?

    Well, it has been flawless! Honestly, I have not had any problems with the router at all. Not one random reset, no wired dropouts, and no wireless disconnections either. It is fair to say that I have not yet upgraded my 2 laptops, as well as my 2 wired PC’s to the Wireless N Network cards, as they are not for sale at this moment in time, here in the UK. Plus, I don’t like the idea of a huge PCMCIA card hanging out of the side my laptops. I’m waiting for the new MIMO Mini-PCI cards to arrive. As long as your laptop uses 2 or more antennas, then you will be able to take advantage of MIMO. If you only have one antenna, then you would be better off going with the PCMCIA version, if you want extended range and speed. I have pre-ordered the WMP300N-UK, and will update this review as soon as it arrives.

    I have 2 totally different laptops, one uses a Linksys PCMCIA card (WPC54GS). And a Compaq laptop, with an Intel 54G Mini PCI card in it. Both laptops connected without any configuration what so ever. I had the SSID set the same in my old router, as well as PSK2 encryption/password. So as far as the laptops are concerned, the only change is that the signal is always at 5 bars in Windows, and the rate is always 54Mbps! The range is fantastic, and totally covers my house and garden fully! MUCH stronger signal than my trusty old WRT54GS! (The front of the box says you can expect up to 4x the range, and 12x the speed, compared to the WRT54G. An interesting point to note is that Linksys claim that the older WRT54GX4 has 3x the range, and 10x the speed of a WRT54G, so anybody wondering what the difference between the WRT54GX4 and the WRT300N are, have part of the answer now.) My old GS had the DD-WRT firmware (v23 SP1) with a setting of 55mw power output, as well as a couple of upgraded 8db Linksys antennas. The WRT300N-UK does not have upgradeable antennas however, which is a very puzzling missed opportunity on Linksys's part, considering they sell antennas!


    This takes me to my mini rant, it has some important information for you, so please be patient and put up with me for a moment… Right, I have been doing some homework into the Draft N products currently on the market, and it was while I was reading the whitepaper released by Atheros (the chipset inside the WRT300N-v2) and Broadcom (Which is the chipset inside the WRT300N v1), which was talking about the interoperability tests that have just been completed by these 2 companies. The test show that if you are mixing Atheros Pre-N equipment, and Broadcom based Pre-N equipment, then expect a real-world throughput of around 100-106Mbps. Now Wireless N has a top speed of 300Mbps, with a real world bandwidth figure of around half of that figure. According to Atheros, they have seen real world throughput of between 120Mbps and 170Mbps between devices based on their chipset, so as you can see, if you mix the chipsets in your network, then you are slowing your wireless network down by as much as 25%. So what I suggest is this…

    DO NOT MIX these devices if you can avoid it, as you will be creating potential problems for yourself, as well as limiting your "Pre-N" network to a maximum real-world bandwidth of 100-106Mbps! You should get much higher real-world bandwidth (120-170Mbps according to Atheros) using products all based on the SAME CHIPSET. The same applies to the V1 of the WRT300N, as its Broadcom based, then make sure you buy Broadcom based network cards. So check this with your retailer before you order!

    Another question most of us have, is regarding the longevity of this so called “DRAFT Pre-N†standard that the WRT300N uses. One thing to be said though is that this router is going to be just as fast as the final 802.11n standard, so unless you are planning to fill an office block with these routers, you have no need to worry about the final standard. I really don't think the average home user will notice or care about the possible lack of 5Ghz band, unless you live in a block of flats, with multiple wireless networks in use.


    Well, I hope my mini-review has given you some useful information to take away with you. I can't recommend this router enough. It is great value at what I paid for it (£90 inc VAT & delivery).

    This review has been updated, to reflect the new information that has come to light, in the past few days.

    Special thanks go to Toxic, BrainSlayer, Thibor, MrAnoymous987, samuelgoh21, jdepew and James Ewing. For helping me to digg up all this info on this new product.
     
  2. mixxxer

    mixxxer LI Guru Member

    Heythanks.

    question is: linksys.com and uk.linksys.com only show firmware for V1 - they don't list a V2 as available, at least any firmware for it.

    do u have a link?
     
  3. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    any chance of soem pictures?
     
  4. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    it's odd that the WRT300Nv2 doesn't show up on the Linksys download page, or in the GPL sources page. it's also strange that the v1 firmware is 0.93.3, whereas the v2 is 2.00.8, which is the firmware version that the WRTGX uses, hmm...very strange indeed. i'd like to get a look at this v2 to see the differences between it and the v1 that i have.
    EIDT** i see broadbandbuyer are showing them as in stock, picture is the same as the v1 i have. firmware version is odd though.
     
  5. mixxxer

    mixxxer LI Guru Member

    the releae of the wrt300n is delayed at least 2 weeks here in canada - reasons unknown. i am guessing it is because they want to update them to .93.3 firmware before shipping them out...

    why would there be a V2 already? after only a few months of release? hardware upgrade?
     
  6. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Yep, no problem...

    Right, I hope I can send these pics to the forum, as I don't have a way of hosting them...

    All I get is an error.

    Toxic, can I email the pics to you?
     
  7. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    email them to me.. thanks. btw check your pm...
     
  8. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    I've just sent them

    You should have 'em now. :thumb:
     
  9. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks i'll put them up in a moment, good to that Linksys gave the UK something first rather than the USA :D
     
  10. mixxxer

    mixxxer LI Guru Member

    Hmmmm... Don't likethe sounds of this. I wonder if it is worth cancelling my pre-order of this router - and waiting until V2 arrives in stores first...
     
  11. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    Once again Thanks for the images. time for me to get one of these via lmy linksys sources!!!!

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  12. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    I have to admit to thinking the same as you, but after checking the firmware versions for the previous model, I was convinced to try this one marked as 2.00.11, on the UK site.

    I was right, as it worked with no problems, and is still going strong with no disconnections yet, after 34 odd hours now.

    It makes me also wonder what the differences are between this and the old version 1.0. I have heard many nightmare stories from people saying that getting the v1.0 router to work was an uphill battle. I have still not had one problem with it.
     
  13. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    I hope to get one of these from linksys, then I can rip it apart for an Autopsy adn we can view the differences. i doubt there is at all any differnces at all tbh but time will tell.
     
  14. skypx

    skypx LI Guru Member

    How did you install firmware v2.00.11 on the v1 router? I've tried serveral times and it has failed everytime. Thank you.
     
  15. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Hi Skypx,

    You have just kind of confirmed that there is a difference between the V1 and the V2 versions of this router.

    I'm sure that Linksys have miss-posted the firmware for the V2, and have accidentally labelled it as firmware for the v1.

    I hope you can do an autopsy Toxic. I would love to take mine appart, but it's for my fiance, and she would kill me if I opened it, just in case it whent wrong! :sadbye:
     
  16. mixxxer

    mixxxer LI Guru Member

    I am starting tho think that Canada will get the V2 also. It would make sense - considering that the Canadian model also has a unique model # WRT300N-CA ... I will update as soon as it arrives...
     
  17. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    confirmed, the v2 firmware will NOT flash onto a v1 router. i don't see it as being a big deal though, once the gpl sources have been released, it's probably just a code pattern difference.
     
  18. skypx

    skypx LI Guru Member

    Cool! Thanks guys. :)
     
  19. samuelgoh21

    samuelgoh21 Network Guru Member

    I don't think you want to have a V2.0 as it is not broadcom. There are 2 version for different region and I know Australia is also having V.2.0. :)
     
  20. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    do you know that for a fact samuel? would you post your source?
     
  21. MrAnoymous987

    MrAnoymous987 LI Guru Member

    North America = Broadcom
    Europe = Atheros
     
  22. mixxxer

    mixxxer LI Guru Member

    The local Canadian store where I ordered my wrt300n-ca from called me today to tell me is has been delayed (again) for 2 weeks. so, I tried asking if they can find out if they will be getting V2 models or not but he said they have no way of knowing.

    He did say they have 2 different model numbers though in the system.

    wrt300n
    &
    wrt300n-ca

    I told him to make sure I get a -CA one. I am hoping, that like the -UK it is a newer revision and that is the reason for the delays.
     
  23. samuelgoh21

    samuelgoh21 Network Guru Member

    CA or not? you will still get Broadcom, same as United States.
    And the version does not make the WRT300N newer, just different chipset. :)
     
  24. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    has anyone actual proof of different chipsets in v1 and v2.
     
  25. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    hmm, the Atheros chipset must be cheaper than the Broadcom. i just hope it's not VxWorks based and is still hackable, but judging by the amount of 3PF on the GX series(0), i don't hold out much hope of there being any either.
     
  26. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Well, if this is indeed true, then it isn't exactly good news!

    I have been looking around, and have read the test papers that Atheros and Broadcom have published, and it says that they are compatible with each other, ie Atheros Xspan and the Broadcom Intensi-fi chipsets.

    The one thing that bothers me, is that both companies could not get more than 106Mbps bandwidth whilst testing the two products together. We all know that this pre-N stuff has a theoretical speed of 300Mbps, and that real world should be around half of that figure, between 802.11n products.

    What worries me is this... Have Linksys used the Atheros Xspan chipset in ALL their other pre-N products in Europe, or are they Broadcom based? If they are Atheros, then fine, expect to reach the best speeds of around 130Mbps to 170Mbps. But IF they are Broadcom based, then expect 100Mbps to 106Mbps.

    My homework has dug up the fact that Belkin have used Atheros chipsets in all their new Draft N products. So if you have a European WRT300N, and it's the V2.0, then make sure that Linksys is using Atheros based chipsets in the WPC300N and the WMP300N Access cards. If they are not using the Atheros chipset in these cards, then make sure you buy the Belkin equivalents of these two products, as you will guarantee that your network will be very fast, and not to mention, reliable!!!

    The Belkin PCI Network Card is the “N1 Wireless Desktop Card F5D8001â€
    And the PCMCIA Network Card is the “N1 Wireless Notebook Card F5D8011â€
     
  27. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Thibor, without ripping my router appart... Is there a way for me to find out if it uses Linux or VxWorks as it's OS?
     
  28. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    not that i know of mate, since you don't have access to the command line.
     
  29. jdepew

    jdepew Administrator Staff Member Member

    This information is courtesy James Ewing of Sveasoft -

    http://www.sveasoft.com/modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=103324#103324.


    The Linksys WRT300N V1 is supported by the latest Talisman V1.2 RC2 "release candidate".

    The V1 product is based on a Broadcom chipset similar to the chipset use in the WRT54G/GS and WAP54G series.

    WRT300N V1 features

    - Broadcom CFE bootloader
    - Broadcom MIPS CPU
    - Broadcom 802.11n wireless
    - Linux 2.4.20 kernel

    --------------------------

    Linksys has also released a WRT300N V2 in non-US markets. This product is based on an Atheros chipset with an Intel ARM IXP425 CPU and is quite different from the V1 model.

    WRT300N V2 features

    - Redboot bootloader
    - Intel IXP425 ARM CPU
    - Atheros 802.11n wireless chipset
    - Linux 2.6.13 kernel

    --------------------------

    Talisman will be ported to support all WRT300N models. Currently only WRT300N V1 support is available however.
     
  30. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Interesting! I wonder what speed Linksys chose for the Intel IXP425? I doubt its 533Mhz! But I must say that this router "feels" so much faster than the WRT54GS that I had running at 228Mhz.

    I quite like the idea of an intel cpu running the show, Broadcom have never had the reputation of a quality component company. More like shoot for the tick-box, and damn the quality kind of a place! lol

    By looking at the woeful reviews on a certain very well known Amazonian site, not to mention lots of other reports all over the net... it looks like Linksys had no choice but to fix the problems that they were having with the V1.0, and decided to go further than changing the wireless chipset, and go for a complete re-design. I really think that this may be the case, as why would Linksys want to make the v2.0 LOOK different to the older model? I'm not sure, but the v1.0 motherboard is very much like the first WRT54G, as in it has a PCMCIA card in it! I wonder if the v2.0 is the same?
     
  31. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Right, I have dug deep, and found out that Linksys have infact used the Atheros chipset in both the WPC300N and the WMP300N adaptors in the EU market.

    The US versions of these products use the Broadcom chipset. I wish MrAnoymous987 could have told us that he meant ALL Linksys Pre-N products! lol

    If you have the UK/EU version of the WRT300N Router, then make sure you order the UK/EU versions of the WPC300N and the WMP300N adaptors. DO NOT mix the origins of these devices up, as you will be creating potential problems for yourself, as well as limiting your "Pre-N" network to a maximum real-world bandwidth of 100-106Mbps! You should get much higher real-world bandwidth (130-170Mbps according to Atheros) using products all based on the SAME chipset. So check with your retailer before you order!
     
  32. njeske

    njeske Network Guru Member

    the WRT54G v1 had a mini-pci card in it.
     
  33. jdepew

    jdepew Administrator Staff Member Member

    That would be the same Mini PCI card I am using in my laptop right now - ripped out of my original WRT. Of course now the quest is to find a Mini PCI card based on Airgo's TrueMIMO3 or draft-n. :rockon:

    edit: I should clarify - a Mini PCI card that conforms to Type IIIb that would fit in my laptop ;-) Plenty of the SRX/Arigo based routers include MiniPCI interface cards, but are much too long to utilize.... If anybody can find one, let me know.

    PS - these thinkpad owners are looking for the same thing I am.. Maybe a European User can find me one of these Asus WL-126gM .


    Of course Dell has annouced they will be offering Draft N in their product soon, so we'll see where they source their laptop components from or just order 'spare parts' from them.
     
  34. ilkevinli

    ilkevinli Network Guru Member

    Your going to have a bigger problem than finding a Mini-Pci .11n card. Try finding a notebook that includes 3 antennas that are required for 802.11n. You won't be seeing those for a least a year.

     
  35. BrainSlayer

    BrainSlayer Network Guru Member

    the v2.0 is xscale based with a new atheros chipset and this unit is linux based too. (where are the sources?)
    it is based on new not yet released reference design from atheros called ap71. but all informations from atheros about this mimo capable chipset are alpha yet. so dont await that this unit is stable in any way. but the most anoying point are the missing gpl sources
     
  36. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    I think we have a contact that maybe able to get the gpl sources up m8.
     
  37. BrainSlayer

    BrainSlayer Network Guru Member

    i hope. linksys changed the firmware vendor to sercom. the gpl sources must contain the redboot bootloader sources which is used in this product. i hope they wont forget it
     
  38. demisoda

    demisoda Network Guru Member

    Does anyone know if this Wireless N router can support ISP with speed of 100Mbps? since ordinary route like WRT54G doesn't support the higest speed or any Linksys router can support it?
     
  39. BrainSlayer

    BrainSlayer Network Guru Member

    only a router with a gbit interface could support real 100 mbit/s. even a good 100 mbit/s network nic can just do up to 70 - 80 mbit.
     
  40. MrAnoymous987

    MrAnoymous987 LI Guru Member

    Sorry Stimpy, your right. I meant the WRT/WPC300Nv2 are Atheros base. The WRT/WPC300Nv1 are broadcom based.
     
  41. adisor19

    adisor19 Network Guru Member

    Greetings BrainSlayer :)

    From my experience, i recall the Atheros radios to be of a higher quality then the Broadcom ones in the sense that they are more sensitive to weak signals and therefor, pick up AP/cards from longer distances.. Whould you be able to compile DD-WRT for that xcale chip ? I know you need to take a look at the sources first, but i just wanted to ask if you're considering compiling DD-WRT for more platforms then just broadcom and x86.. Thanks again for everything and as soon as my next check comes in, i'll make a donnation :)

    Adi
     
  42. BrainSlayer

    BrainSlayer Network Guru Member

    maybe you should take a look into my forums. the next dd-wrt releases will come for the Mikrotik Routerboard 532/532a with atheros minipci support. and so far we get the informations and sources from atheros for the new mimo chip, we will integrate it. we all here know about this xscale product since some months but we are knowing too that this atheros product sdk is not yet ready for release from atheros which may have a reason
     
  43. mixxxer

    mixxxer LI Guru Member

    Well - the canadian WRT300n arrived today - and it is the old blue one, with firmware 92.6 loaded on it. So why it took months to get to canada - and it has stickers on it, and the box saying for use in canada only is beyond me... :(
     
  44. Aopen

    Aopen Network Guru Member

    I talked to a guy at Linksys Norway today. And hi said that you should be able to flash the European (V2) with the American 93.3 firmware.... I tryed saing that it would not go since they use different chipset and bootloaders. But hi was shure :p I just had a good lol

    I got 2 boxes to day and they are silver black
     
  45. Aopen

    Aopen Network Guru Member

    I have now found out what seems to be the problem with the Wireless G system. In the newest firmware for this version they change the Wireless drivers from 275 to 280 and that seems to fix the problem many have had with G network.

    This might also be the problem with the american edition.

    So when the source code (GPL) of the v2.00.11 firmware comes out, it will be great if dd-wrt, hyperwrt or someone could build it in :)

    Hope it will be out soon, i hate that i can not use client or wds mode in the standard linksys firmware :(
     
  46. Perenor

    Perenor LI Guru Member

    Hi,

    I'm planning on getting a WAG300N. What I don't now however is whether the european Version of the WAG300N contains the Atheros chipset. What I noticed on the picture of the WAG300N (on the linksys site) is that it only has 2 antenna's. The product information (PDF Documenton the Linksys site) however mentions 3. I've already sent an e-mail about this to Linksys Netherlands.

    Perhaps some of you already have some info about the European version of the WAG300N. Does it contain the Ahteros chipset. And the same firmware as the WRT300N. Does it have 2 or 3 antenna's?

    Regards,

    Johan Berghmans,
    Maastricht,
    the Netherlands.
     
  47. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Yes Perenor,

    You have a good question here!

    I would go with the theme of this thread, and say that it is more than likely that the Atheros chipset is used in the WAG300N.

    I would still not go down the route of a combined ADSL Modem, and Router. One good reason with this model, is that it only uses 2 antennas, and that puts me off, big time! And another reason is firmware. I have a friend that had an older version of this type of product from Linksys. He had about 2 firmware updates in 2 years! Is was never overly reliable to start with, and it annoyed him that I was getting new firmware almost monthly!

    I use a WRT300N and a Linksys ADSL2MUE Modem, they work flawlessly together, but are slightly more expensive than buying the combined unit. I still think its worh the extra money though.
     
  48. MrAnoymous987

    MrAnoymous987 LI Guru Member

    Atheros and only two antennas, which are fixed to the unit.... Different firmware then the WRT300Nv.2
     
  49. Perenor

    Perenor LI Guru Member

    Hi,

    Well the reason for wanting a combined product is that I've been using a Draytek 2600 We for a couple of years without much problems.

    The thing is - I'm on Wanadoo Family in the Netherlands. And they use this stupid Livebox modem (which is also a combination of a router and modem). I'm currently using the Draytek however, because it already has a built in ADSL Modem. Just not a ADSL2 (so right now it's capped at 8Mb). And it's only 11Mb.

    I have been planning on buying a similar product, preferably a MIMO (or Pre-N or Draft N) one. Because I didn't want to combine 2 routers, because that's to much hassle. Also because the livebox gets firmware upgrades frequently and these overwrite your setup (including port forwarding b.t.w.).

    This Linksys modem you're mentioning doesn't have a built-in router, does it? Because I don't want to go that way. If it doesn't, it might be a viable alternative.

    Regards, Johan.

    P.S. I haven't received an answer to my questions by Linksys yet. Once I get those, I'll post 'em here.
     
  50. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    The Linksys modem I mentioned can be used in pure modem mode, so you don't have to worry about its router functions.

    I do use it's router functions with my WRT300N, and have always let the modem do all the work, and the router takes care of it with no problems. I cant imagine you having any problems with this at all.

    One dark cloud o the horizon is that there is issues getting this modem to actually use ADSL2+ specs. It is a firmware issue. And Linksys have been very odd with their attitude towards getting this modem to have the same specs as what is printed on its box. So you MAY have issues getting speeds higher than 8Mbit out of it.
     
  51. Perenor

    Perenor LI Guru Member

    I've contacted a dealer here in the Netherlands. He mentioned that the modem was discontinued.

    And for not being able to get speeds higher then 8Mb. Hmmm... That's a pretty large cloud. Being on Wanadoo Family should give me a speed of about 15 Mb. Also - Wanadoo only gives support for their own Livebox of course...

    I could go for the 300N and the Livebox of course - bus as I've said - I'd rather not use 2 routers. Having 2 either let the Livebox do all the port forwarding or do a full passthrough on it (all channels) and let the Linksys do the real forwarding. That's a lot of hassle. Not to speak of the updates that completely overwrite all of your settings.

    I'd rather have a (real ADSL2 and non router) modem and a wireless router, or a product that combines both functionalities.

    Regards, Johan.
     
  52. Aopen

    Aopen Network Guru Member

    I have a WRT300n and a ADSL2+ Belkin modem. And i would not change to a combine system. I only set the modem to Bridge mode and let the router do the work.
     
  53. Perenor

    Perenor LI Guru Member

    Okay,

    I've been reading a bit around. And it seems the Linksys modem doesn't comply to the ADSL2+ standard. Another option would be a Alcatel Speedtouch 516, which can can also be set to bridged modus.

    I've ready b.t.w. that the Livebox can be set to bridged modus 2. But you can only do that by telnet. And after a reset you have to enter a couple of the commands again *sighs*. But it is an option.

    I guess getting the WRT is a better solution (and also a bit cheaper). I'd either have to get the Belkin or Alcatel ADSL2+ modems or use the Livebox. I'm going to try the latter first. And if that gives me 2 many problems, I'll be getting one of the 2 ADSL modems.

    Regarding my mail to Linksys. I got the following answers:

    The firmware of the WAG and WRT seem to be approximately alike but can't be interchanged (now that is a surprise ;)). The user-interface should be largely alike.

    Thy couldnt answer my question regarding the chipset in the WAG, because the product is relatively new.

    As to the number of antennnas. It seems the WAG has an internal antenna. And thus you shouldn't have any performance issues in comparison to the WRT.

    Regards, Johan.
     
  54. Perenor

    Perenor LI Guru Member

    Stimpy and Aopen,

    U're both using the European version of the WRT300N, right? Together with the WPC300N? And U've been using these for about 2 week now, Stimpy.

    Have our experiences changed? What speed do you get? And did you get any lockups or any other problems in those 2 weeks.

    I'm very curious about your experiences after this period of time. Also due to the problems that were reported for the v1.

    Also - what about interference from other wireless networks. E.g. G Networks closeby from neighbours. Did you have any? Because that's what I've been reading about most of the pre-n and draft-n products on the market (e.g. from Tom's Networking site).

    Regards, Johan.
     
  55. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Hi Johan.

    Well, I have been waiting for the WPC300N and the WMP300N to become available in the UK. So I'm still running with the old 54G cards at the moment. I have the new cards on pre-order.

    I have had no problems so far. I'm very impressed by the reliability of the WRT300N. I don't think I would have liked the v1.0 as much as I like my v2.0, to be honest, as I'm still hearing of people with problems with the v1.0, even with the new firmware.

    I have a neighbour with a wireless G network, and I can just detect his network, he is 3 doors down the road from me. I have spoken to him, and he is having no problems with his network, although he can detect mine, and it has quite a strong signal (3 bars in Windows). And I definatley have no problems with my network. The bottom line is that its mainly the Broadcom chipset that is to blame, and the newer firmwares that have become available to both, has improved things alot.

    Hope this helps.
     
  56. Perenor

    Perenor LI Guru Member

    It sure does. I'm really curious though what speeds you'll get, once you have those 300N client adapters.

    Regarding the interference issue. That was not only mentioned as a problem for the v1 300N, but also for some of the older MIMO rouers, like the GX, GX2 and GX4, or the pre-n router from Belkin. Ah well. It if works for you ;).

    Anyways - I still haven't got the extra info I requested from Linksys yet. But having read your experiences, I'm gonna get the WRT300N (and the WPC300N) for sure.

    Regards, Johan.
     
  57. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    i can now confirm that the v1 at least has no compatibility issues with existing b/g networks. it can do wds, wet and client mode to them just fine, and the g network doesn't die as with previous firmwares(using 0.93.3 now). can't speak about transfer speeds as i have no mimo equipment, but signal strenths seem to be good between them both. ping speeds are also around 30% faster between the 2 networks as well, i used to see pings of around 1.9ms, now it's around 1.3ms
     
  58. mozerd

    mozerd LI Guru Member

    WRT300N and WDS?

    What do you mean when you state that it can do WDS? I've been testing the WRT300N v1 using WRT300N_0.93.3_US_code.bin but so far have not been able to locate Wireless Distribution System :)
     
  59. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    i mean it can do it in the Firmware i've been working on. it(wds) and many other functions are not available in the stock firmware
     
  60. mozerd

    mozerd LI Guru Member

    OK thanks. If you can get WDS to work exploiting the advantages of MIMO's spatial multiplexing that will certainly be interesting.
     
  61. denony

    denony LI Guru Member

    Hello there :wave:

    Do you know if WRT300N (v2.0) is compatible with Speedbooster. Does it work at full Speedbooster speed when Speedbooster Wifi clients are connected to it ? Or do they communicate at standard 54 Mbit/s maximum?

    Thank you

    Denony
     
  62. SpinesN

    SpinesN LI Guru Member

    Any tips on when this will cross the pond?
     
  63. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Right, I've just got the new WMP300N-UK Network Adaptor, and all is still well. It definatly has the Atheros chipset.

    I have 2 802.11g based laptops connected, and my PC with the 802.11n card in it. Both the laptops still connect at maximum signal, maximum speed. No dissconnections, no slowdowns.

    The PC is connected at 300Mbps, and is very responsive. No disconnections either.

    Both networks run side by side with no problems what so ever. So much better than the Broadcom based versions.
     
  64. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Unfortunatly my friend, it won't.

    The US/CAN versions use Broadcom chipsets, and the EU versions use the Atheros chipsets.
     
  65. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    I'm sure it does not work, as SpeedBooster is a Broadcom technology, and probably only works on Broadcom based products that support SpeedBooster directly.
     
  66. ilkevinli

    ilkevinli Network Guru Member

    Any update on when your firmware will be released ?
    Thanks

     
  67. denony

    denony LI Guru Member

    300 Mbit/s ! :eek: It’s 3 time more than a wired 100 Mbit/s. So WRT300N need Gigabit wired Ethernet port in order to connect wired to wireless clients at full speed :)

    We need the WRT600N (with 5 Gigabit port) :

    WRT600N (router)
    - Dual Band: 2.4GHz and 5GHz
    - 4 Gig-Ethernet LAN Ports
    - Two Spatial Streams
    - Four Antennas


    From : http://www.planet-wifi.be/item.cfm?id=2921

    Thank you.
     
  68. lurch

    lurch Network Guru Member

    Samuel's right. V1 is Broadcom-based and for the US market; V2 has different, Atheros-based hardware and matching cards and is for Europe (and poss. elsewhere).
     
  69. denony

    denony LI Guru Member

    But why Linksys doesn’t use Broadcom chips for Pre-N in Europe ? Linksys sells 802.11g and 802.11b Broadcom-based products in Europe (like WRT54G).

    Thank you.
     
  70. lurch

    lurch Network Guru Member

    It's purely because not enough Broadcom chips were available to cover more than the US market. This may change in the future.
     
  71. SpinesN

    SpinesN LI Guru Member

    So no revisions then? Any chance one could import the thing and use an old wrt54gs power brick (think I read in this thread the 300n uses the same cable). If so anyone know any decent sites?
     
  72. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    that's exactly what i've done. US 300N with a UK power supply. works fine.
     
  73. Linkyguy

    Linkyguy Network Guru Member

  74. WSkids97

    WSkids97 LI Guru Member

    GPL Codes release on Linksys' site...

    GPL Code Release Version: 2.00.8
    GPL Code File Size: 168 MB

    GPL Code Release Version: 2.00.6
    GPL Code File Size: 167 MB

    GPL Code Release Version: 0.93.3-ETSI
    GPL Code File Size: 177 MB

    GPL Code Release Version: 0.93.3
    GPL Code File Size: 177 MB

    GPL Code Release Version: 0.92.6
    GPL Code File Size: 177 MB

    GPL Code Release Version: 0.92.5
    GPL Code File Size: 177 MB

    GPL Code Release Version: 0.92.4
    GPL Code File Size: 177 MB

    I assume the 2.00 versions are for UK version, but what is ETSI.
     
  75. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    A New firmware has been released for the WRT300N v2.0

    Notes from Linksys...
    Product: WRT300N (v2 silver casing)

    Classification: Firmware Release History

    Release Date: 17-07-2006

    Firmware Version: 2.00.13 (ETSI)
    __________________________________________________________


    Firmware upgrade for all previously released versions


    2.00.13
    - To upgrade from previous firmware versions
    1) Upgrade using firmware: wrt300n.bin
    2) Upgrade using firmware: New_2.00.13_wrt300n.bin

    General Notes:
    - This firmware is only for usage in Europe
    - Disconnect all wireless clients from the router during
    the upgrade process. Make sure no wireless clients
    attempt to associate with the router until the upgrade
    process is complete."

    Its a strange one... You seem to have to update twice, first with the wrt300n.bin file, then after that, you have to power off the router and do another firmware update using this file New_2.00.13_wrt300n.bin.

    This seems very strange to me, as after I used the first firmware file, the router came back on, and said it was version 2.00.13. I followed Linksy's not very clear instructions, and proceeded to upgrade using the last file. I had to reset the router, and all is well. The only chage that I can see, is the AP Isolation is now disabled as default. I hope there was more to this update than just that! lol

    Anyway, here is the link to the Linksys page...

    http://www-uk.linksys.com/servlet/S...114466&pagename=Linksys/Common/VisitorWrapper
     
  76. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Just a quick update...

    The one thing I have noticed that this firmware breaks, is the Wireless light on the front of the router. It is now out, and never lights up. Wireless access is fine, so it just appears to be the indicator.

    I've noticed that the wireless light comes on while the router is starting up, but goes out permanently after it has finnished booting.
     
  77. Taomyn

    Taomyn Network Guru Member

    Same here, as I've detailed in another thread that I started, but at least Linksys have duplicated the problem and will hopefully produce a fix soon.
     
  78. TextEx2

    TextEx2 LI Guru Member

    V2 is for EU afaik inc UK. ETSI is the European Telecommunications Standards Institute (ETSI) and is an independent, non-profit organization, whose mission is to produce telecommunications standards for Europe. In the US you have the FCC.
     
  79. eric_stewart

    eric_stewart Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    FWIW, I've had the WRT300Nv1 for 3 days now and am very well pleased with it. I have experimented with DD-WRT v24 on it (the generic .bin supports this box) and can say that it was a lot of fun, but doesn't yet support MIMO. When it supports MIMO, I'll flash it to DD-WRT again...I'm now back to the standard Linksys firmware for now.

    The GUI loads very quickly on this box and I really like the granularity of control for QoS rules as well as for Internet Access Restrictions. Also, the separate logs (though no syslog capability...darn!) are much appreciated.

    I like the fact that Linksys has stuck with the purple colour that has made their products so distinctive. Being Broadcom based, it is compatible with a *bunch* of Linksys' other Wireless-B and -G products including, I suspect, Speed Booster. The box has a generous amount of RAM & Flash at 32MB & 32MB respectively.

    Brainslayer has indicated that he will release a firmware that supports MIMO shortly, though support for the WRT300Nv2 is something that you shouldn't hold your breath for since Atheros has not released their driver source yet.

    When the new firmware arrives I will install it and post results here with links to the DD-WRT forum to prevent cross-posting.

    Cheers,

    /Eric
    Canada
    WRV200, 2x WRT54GS, Cisco PIX 501, etc.....
     
  80. Excadrix

    Excadrix Guest

    I have WRT300N router and WMP300N adapter ...but they dont communicate...
    I have this problem... When i install WMP300N for the first time it works for 5-10 min then suddenly stops and says that cannot detect network.. and i have to remove everything (card and drivers ) reinstall it etc etc to make it work again for 5-10 min... can you help me? other adapters i have works fine with the rooter (they are wireless G though) . Linksys live chat couldnt find a solution and also i found a topic on their forum about this problem.. it seems more ppl have it ...
     
  81. Claws666

    Claws666 Guest

    To get the wireless light to work again you can update to the 2.00.14 beta firmware... Haven´t tried it very much myself yet, but I got the lamp back :)
     
  82. noelabc

    noelabc Network Guru Member

    I would suggest you to make sure that you are using the latest firmware on the WRT300N and try using the driver for the WMP300N which is available on the Linksys site. I didn't encouter any problems with my WMP300Nv2 and my WRT300Nv2. I'm not sure with the version 1s.
     
  83. alphred72

    alphred72 LI Guru Member

    I've had nothing but trouble with both the WRT300Nv2 and WMP300Nv2. Signal of the router is weaker than the signal from my WRT54GX2. The WMP300N freezes the computer. It does the same on 2 different AMD/Nvidia systems. It works on my workstation (Intel E7505 chipset), but with an amazing 1mbit/s throughput even though it says it is connected at 260-300mbit/s.
    Pulled out most pci-cards, memory etc. to see if it would work. Disabled the linksys wireless application and let windows control it. Still freezes.

    Right now I'm so unhappy with Linksys that I consider returning it for Netgear or D-Link.
    Alphred
     
  84. Linkyguy

    Linkyguy Network Guru Member

    Wmp300n

    I've had the same freeze problem with my WMP300N. I thought it was my (inwarranty) AMD chip so I rma'd the chip, telling AMD they sold me a piece of junk... froze the new chip also...(didn't tell AMD though..) ..I'm running th elatest driver and firmware of the WRT300N also...any word from "tech support" at Linksys?
    any Linksys
     
  85. n9lya

    n9lya LI Guru Member

    V1

    Do you think Linksys will make the Final N available a firmware upgrade to the wrt300n v1.0????
    Jerry
     
  86. ilkevinli

    ilkevinli Network Guru Member

    Not a chance in hell


     
  87. n9lya

    n9lya LI Guru Member

    Thanks...

    Do you think they will fix the wireless connection drop out sin this version router v 1.0 With a firmware upgrade???

    Mine drops out continuously... Had to hack my wrt54gs v 1.1 with DD=WRT so I could set it up as a AP and use its wireless connection just to stay on 24/7... Kind of sux as I was hoping to sell it to a friend for about $25 and recoop some of my investment in my wrt300n v 1.1?

    I still have time to return it to Best Buy... But darn..

    Thanks for input... I do not really expect a lot from Linksys on this matter... I spoke to tech support they tell me I am wrong in stating I believe its the router..


    Thanks again.. Jerry
     
  88. n9lya

    n9lya LI Guru Member

    wrt300n v2 availability??? in US

    Anyone know when the wrt300n V 2 will be available in the states???

    Thanks Jerry
     
  89. eric_stewart

    eric_stewart Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Why do you say this? Looking at Broadcom's online documentation on the Intensi-fi chipset which the WRT300Nv1 uses, there are several inferences to vendors' ability to customize the firmware of the boards on which the chip sits. I take this as meaning that it's possible that the Linksys and D-Links of the world can flash their boards to the final, ratified IEEE 801.11n standard.

    The fact that it's not supposed to be ratified until 2008 makes me slightly nervous as to whether this ever happens. Who knows what other routers Linksys will push out the door between now and then? That said, if the WRT300N V x.x becomes Linksys' new bread-and-butter router model in the same way that the WRT54G/S were, I would guess that we would see an upgrade. Furthermore (know, I'm not being naieve) if the "pre-N" bandwagon gathers momentum this should signal the IEEE to get their collective thumbs out and ratify the standard lest they face the same fears of irrelevancy as that other august International standards body, the United Nations. :)

    Some will remember what happened when the ITU-T were faced with vendors' proprietary X2 and K56Flex standards in advance of ratifying V.90. It certainly greased the skids for the V.90 modem standard (and later v.92) adoption. Standards bodies are only as relevant as manufacturers' willingness to be governed by those same standards. When vendors start seeing commercial opportunities in releasing products in advance of official ratification of a standard they will go ahead and do so and damn the torpedos! The IEEE is allowing their normally unbiased, pragmatic approach to be short-circuited by commercialism but even they will see the light when we, the consumers, start buying these things in droves. Let's just hope that Linksys keeps these boxes open source!

    /Eric
     
  90. noelabc

    noelabc Network Guru Member

    Hmmm...for your speed concern, make sure that you are using WPA2. This is what i noticed when im using WPA-TKIP or AES, speed registers at 270-300Mbps but the real throughput is slow, my DU meter registers it less than 1Mbps. The actual throughout speed is the same as using WEP. But with WEP, you can see that the max TX and RX rate is only 54Mbps.
     
  91. ilkevinli

    ilkevinli Network Guru Member

    Since it has not been ratified, there are so many variables that can change that will prevent a firmware upgrade to make the router 802.11n compliant. The last proposed spec that was presented after the WRT300N was released included hardware changes. Look what hapened with the 802.11g. None of the routers were able to be upgraded via the firmware to the final spec. The same is going to happen with 802.11n.

     
  92. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    It wont be. In so far as it wont be the same as the EU version 2 model.
     
  93. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but where do you find the v14 of this firmware?
     
  94. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    No. It is not possible for Linksys to add the 5Ghz frequency to this router.

    It's a corner they cut, and not being able to update to the final spec is the price to pay.
     
  95. Stimpy

    Stimpy Network Guru Member

    As my review states, I have the same equipment as you, and despite a random disconnect bug in the v12 firmware (which the v13 has fixed) I have had no trouble at all with this combo. I use PSK2 Personal wireless security with AES.

    I too wish the power output of the v2.0 was stepped up by 20% or so, but I don't think its going to happen. All we can hope for is some 3rd party firmware. But I guess the firmware hackers are not well educated on non-Broadcom equipment. Which is a shame, as the v2 is a better bag of chips than the v1.
     
  96. humba

    humba Network Guru Member

    Actually, you are mistaken on that account. I bought a WRT54G V1 back when there was no 802.11g.. they called it 54g at that point.. there even was a site listing compatible products. A few months later when the 802.11g standard was ratified, Linksys released a firmware that made the device compatible.
    I'm not saying this applies to every device, but some devices were upgradeable after all.
     
  97. ilkevinli

    ilkevinli Network Guru Member

    That router was out after the g standard was already ratified.

     
  98. Parap

    Parap LI Guru Member

    Stimpy
    Review great, where did you get the WRT300N-UK V2.0 for £90?
    Not obvious from UK Web search.
    I am a UK resident.
    Thanks.
    Parap
     
  99. Parap

    Parap LI Guru Member

    Availability of WRT30N-UK

    Answer to my own question!
    Misco offering unit from stock @ £60.02 including Delivery and VAT.
    Parap
     
  100. uhbvfr

    uhbvfr LI Guru Member

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    i am doing the project using ixp 425 intel stareast boead.i used snapgear tool.i overcomed the problem to act ixp 425 as an access point...but i need further improvements.i.e.i need a tutorial of how to create security features in ixp 425 stareast board?..can you please help ie if you have been experienced......

     

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