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WRT54g & HBB1 ?

Discussion in 'Cisco/Linksys Wireless Routers' started by BassKozz, Dec 12, 2005.

  1. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    I currently have an HBB1 (BroadBand Booster from Hawking Technology)connected from my modem to my WRT54G (v3.1, Stock Linksys Firmware), and I plan on installing either dd-wrt or HyperWRT (still need to build up some courage and do more research ;) ) to handle QoS...

    What is the consensus on using both of these technologies at the same time?

    Good Idea / Bad Idea

    Thanks,
    -BassKozz
     
  2. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    :bounce: BUMP :bounce:

    Here is my network layout:
    [​IMG]
     
  3. danielhaden

    danielhaden Network Guru Member

    Whether running DD-WRT or HyperWRT (much easier and more reliable), I do have some bad news for you about your setup.

    Your 8 mbits Internet more than hits the limit of the routing speed of a Linksys WRT54G. That speed cannot pass the WAN port.

    I recommend that you purchase a high speed broadband router.

    Further, load HyperWRT Tofu11 (more information available in the forums of hyperwrt.org) and set the IP address in your network onto a figure not used by DHCP in the main router (like .250 instead of .1). Disable firewall, disable WAN port, and disable DHCP on the Linksys WRT54G. Connect a switch/computer port of the WRT54G into the main router's switch/computer port via an ethernet cable. In other words, use the WRT54G as a wireless switch (Access Point) , but do not use it as a router for an 8 mbits Internet connection.

    Normally a Broadband Booster (streamer) is useless when you already have a Linksys WRT54G. That's because the QOS feature already accomplishes broadband streaming (if all of the clients are listed by their MAC addresses). However, in your case, the Broadband Booster was a very good idea. That's because 8mbits Internet will not pass the WAN port of the WRT54G and so cannot use Linksys QOS at 8mbits.

    So, you're going to need a faster router (a very fast router!), but the good news is that the rest of your setup is absolutely fantastic.
     
  4. MarkInDavis

    MarkInDavis Network Guru Member

    WRT54G routing speed

    Where did you get this info? I swear a Tom's Networking review that said it maxed out around 30Mbits.

    I only wish I had this problem.

    Edit

    Here is a Tom's networking spec sheet showing WAN-LAN performance of 33.7 Mbps for a WRT54GS
    http://www.tomsnetworking.com/ProductGuides-Router-Details-ProdID-WRT54GS.php

    and 19.7Mbps for a WRT54G
    http://www.tomsnetworking.com/ProductGuides-Router-Details-ProdID-WRT54G.php

    I don't know what hardware version these are.
     
  5. MarkInDavis

    MarkInDavis Network Guru Member

    See edits in prior reply.
     
  6. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    ok, so should I remove the HBB1 or not ?:knock:

    I am currently using dd-wrt v23 (build 12-10-05), w/ QoS enabled. Everything seems to be running smooth, but I don't want to limit myself by using the HBB1.
    Will the HBB1 hurt my speeds or does it just not even make a difference ?

    -BassKozz
     
  7. pharma

    pharma Network Guru Member

    I think PcMagazine states similar limits, though will probably vary depending on conditions:

    802.11g modes
    "Fast category products (WRT54G) are based on the IEEE 802.11g standard, which offers data rates of up to 54 megabits per second (Mbps), though the maximum real-world throughput is about 20 to 21 Mbps. The maximum real-world throughput of 802.11g's predecessor, 802.11b, is 4 to 6 Mbps."

    Enhanced 802.11g modes
    "Faster products (wrt54gs) delivered 27 to 28 Mbps of throughput, compared with 802.11g's 20 to 21 Mbps."

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1823171,00.asp

    Later they mention:

    "Before buying a Faster router, consider that your Internet connection probably runs at no more than 5 Mbps to 10 Mbps, meaning standard "g" throughput is sufficient for Web surfing."

    This is most likely due to the maximum download speed provided by your Internet Provider ... on average most people are within this group though it seems to be increasing to faster & faster download speeds every year.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1822487,00.asp

    Pharma
     
  8. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    This has nothing to do with Wireless, my question is in reguards to using the HBB1 (Broadband booster) QoS device, along side of my WRT54G ???...

    :bounce: BUMP :bounce:
     
  9. pharma

    pharma Network Guru Member

    Common sense would tell you to test it. If it works fine, if not remove it. :thumb:
     
  10. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    It is working fine now, but I can't tell if it is having an impact on my bandwidth or not... what would be the best way to go about testing this ?

    -BassKozz
     
  11. jungec

    jungec Network Guru Member

    try this benchmark.
    http://gamer.ubicom.com/benchmarks/benchmarks.html

    I just got an hbb1 cause basically in my humble opinion the Qos on the WRT54G is crap.

    with the hbb1 it scored a 4.5 without it I scored .5.

    thats all the support I need.

    I turned off qos on my 54g and will run with the HBB1.
     
  12. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

  13. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    I think I forgot to mention in the last post I am using dd-wrt v23, and I like how it handles QoS... But I figured I run tests to see if the HBB1 makes a difference now, with or without QoS on/off.

    Here are the results from my tests with dd-wrt's QoS off...


    http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest

    [​IMG]
    -QoS OFF - NO HBB1 Attached

    [​IMG]
    -QoS OFF - With HBB1 Attached

    http://gamer.ubicom.com/benchmarks/benchmarks.html

    [​IMG]
    -QoS OFF - NO HBB1 Attached

    [​IMG]
    -QoS OFF - With HBB1 Attached


    So, the question remains... Should I use the HBB1 or disconnect it ?
    Thoughts, Comments Appreciated.
    -BassKozz
     
  14. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    :help: :BUMP:
     
  15. jungec

    jungec Network Guru Member

    i would use it.

    but it looks like your router actually does a decent job on qos. my 54g was complete crap. If you don't want it I'll buy it. I could always give one to my bro. we play a lot on xbox live and I think it would help him host cod2 better.
     
  16. jungec

    jungec Network Guru Member

    man nice connection too. fogot to mention i would turn QOS off on the router and run with the HBB1. Thats what i did. even though your benchmark speed went down a tad I would still keep it in line.
     
  17. jungec

    jungec Network Guru Member

  18. BassKozz

    BassKozz Network Guru Member

    Thanks, but I've already uninstalled the HBB1.
    It was conflicting with the WRT54G, and causing my connection to go down spuratically.
     
  19. christcorp

    christcorp Network Guru Member

    The correct answer is to NOT use the Hbb1 and to NOT use the linksys. Replace both with either the Zyxel X-550 or Trendnet TEW611BRP routers. (They are identicle routers)

    They both have the same QOS technology manufacutrer, but better, that the hbb1 has. These 2 routers were made for VOIP and gaming. A third one with the same technology, but I hate the company, is the dlink 4300. Later... Mike...
     

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