I tried to get betas from them long ago. They claimed no knowledge of them. I have several times expressed desire to have the GPL source for betas in this forum. For a long while I avoided asking you explicitly for the source because I felt that would put you offside with respect to the GPL. Eventually, I did ask: http://www.linksysinfo.org/forums/showpost.php?p=312614&postcount=47 Note: I did not take this to the FSF or the SFLS. Although I strongly disagree with you about the GPL, I appreciate what you have done for this community.