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WRV54G and Pocket PC's

Discussion in 'Cisco Small Business Routers and VPN Solutions' started by DocLarge, Apr 13, 2006.

  1. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Just thought I'd break the pocket pc issue into another thread :)

    I finally broke down and bought a Qtek 2020i pocket pc/phone combo:

    http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/qte...AW=qtek 2020i&OVKEY=qtek 2020i&OVMTC=standard

    and oh yes, it is sweet! Now I don't have to carry a pocket pc "and" a phone because they are both combined. Now is where the challenge starts: trying to connect it to the wrv54g...

    Does anyone happen to know of any other brands of Pocket PC's and if you do, what is the success record of connecting to the WRV54G?

    Doc
     
  2. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    I hit the research pretty hard on this topic, and I have found that there is absolutely nothing out there to connect Pocket PCs to Linksys VPNs. I had a pretty good dialogue with Bluefire going, and they probably represent the development community as a whole in saying that they, nor their competitors, will take on the End User Requirement for a product that cost $80 and tech support for $12. There is awesome support for Nortel and Cisco VPNs out there though. The Bluefire rep blames Linksys for independently developing their hardware (to work with proprietary software like QuickVPN), rather than working with the community to produce a more universal product.

    As for connecting a portable device to a WRV, I'm going to recommend to my brother-in-law that he buy a tablet PC and add a PCMCIA card for GPRS and install QuickVPN. That way, he'll still be able to write prescriptions "from the field" (he's a vet).

    The 2020i looks nice. I've had a couple SX66's and my wife and I were dissappointed that it didn't have a camera. Also, it looks like the 2020i has 120Mhz faster proc. I got a few 4gb SDs and a wireless hard drive (2.5" internal), so memory is simply not a factor....
     
  3. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    Nice smartphone Doc, apart from the lack of a thumb board :razz:
     
  4. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    I can honestly say that I prefer the on-screen keyboard to the SX66's thumb board. I may have used it twice since buying it in August....
     
  5. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    I'm not a big fan of the sliding out keyboards as they make the phone too big. For me the Treo's are still the best form factor.

    [​IMG]

    Each to their own though :D
     
  6. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I was ambivalent at first to not having a thumboard, but the positive is that I can take the stylus out and just write whatever I need as if I'm writing on a piece of paper :razz: (Back 'atcha, Taz) :)

    On another note, I will say that I'm able to connect to my network via vpn using my 2020i through way of gprs; I also configured a vpn client on my MS vpn server. Now, all I have to do is use the same credentials on my 2020i and it connects. The next test is trying to get the pocket pc terminal services client to connect...

    Doc
     
  7. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    Doc, you gotta give me the settings you used. I've tried just about everything, and I couldn't get it.... I even have DynDNS for PPC2003....
     
  8. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

  9. jgutz20

    jgutz20 Network Guru Member

    I have my PPC-6700, connects to my WRT54G, i can VPN (through EVDO or wireless) and then RDC any of the servers on my network, works like a charm, just a pain scrolling around the edges, but if in a pinch its better than nothing!

    I too like the on screen keyboard over the sliding one, UNLESS im driving :halo: or typing longer messages, then ill use the slide out keyboard
    :whistle:
     
  10. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Herc,

    you'd probably be better off getting jgutz to help you because he can actually "see" his server, whereas all I can do is make the connection. I'm having a bitch of a time trying to get terminal services to come up, even after I configure the client on my pocketpc... :(

    Doc
     
  11. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    Doc which carrier are you with?
     
  12. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    I'm with vodafone. The GPRS and WIFI is excellent, but I've only been able to make the vpn connection with GPRS.

    Oh, I was out trolling and found this site that has "tons" of pocketpc information:

    http://www.eggheadcafe.com/forumarchives/pocketpc/

    Herc,

    if you're still interested in how I made my "simple" connection to my vpn server, from the pocketpc, I went to start, settings connection, then I click on "edit my vpn servers."

    From there, I created a server connection (you input your WAN IP here along with a name for your connection); on the next screen, you input a username and password. As long as you've set up your vpn server to issue ip addresses (like I normally do) then you don't have to put in a static ip address.

    From there, you just have to enable GPRS and then enable the new connection you create...

    Here's another link that's a little more descriptive about the Qtek 2020i:

    http://www.smartdevicesdirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=799

    For such a smartass device, it doesn't know sh*t about terminal services connections.

    Doc
     
  13. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    Me to, what APN and username do you have set?
     
  14. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    Therein may lie a problem for me.... I have no server to speak of behind my WRV54G, just Windows XP-based computers. I had hoped that it would connect to the WRV54G in much the same way QuickVPN connects where I could then browse my shares using IP addresses....
     
  15. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Taz,

    what do you mean by apn (access point name)? Do you mean the name I assign to the connection?

    Herc, you can set up your xp machine as a vpn server, but you still have a problem; in order to configure a vpn server, the router has to be able to pass GRE (Protocol 47) which the WRV can't do :(

    Hate to be the one to tell you, man, but the WRV54G isn't worth anything in you need pptp access, so you'll have to either live with it, or buy another router that can pass GRE, NAT-t, and then make that router your "internet" connected router and hang the WRV54G off of it.

    As of right now, if the WRV54g is the only router you have, then you're not going to be albe to configure a vpn tunnel...

    Doc
     
  16. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

  17. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    I have a couple other routers (WRT54AG and a D-Link of some kind). I spent a lot of time connecting two WRV54Gs. Can I hang it on to another router that has the internet capability and have Site-to-site, QuickVPN, and PPC2003 (via PPTP)? If so, how do I go about making the changes (on the WRV and WRT respectively)?
     
  18. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    In the past, I hung my wrv54g off of my smcbr18vpn and forwarded 443 and 500 to the wrv54g. Result: I was able to connect to the wrv with quickvpn "through" the smc router!

    Another benefit was that I was also able to connect "from behind" the wrv with third party vpn clients (greenbow vpn) because the gateway router had the ability to read the interprete the packets (NAT-T and GRE) the WRV couldn't! So, that was my solution, and it's actually the "only" solution when dealing with the wrv54g because linksys won't back down from the wrv54g's current configuration.

    Quickvpn could do all of those things, but if linksys did allow it to handle nat-t and gre, then quickvpn would be defunct. There probably isn't a way that quickvpn and normal vpn traffic could be configured to run at the same time, so it was either on or the other, and Linksys chose to exclude all other third party software from running behind the wrv to push quickvpn as a "click and go" vpn solution.

    So, there's the history of this shiny turd :)

    From what "I've" seen, normally, you can't have vpn tunnels runnning between site a and site b, and then expect to connect from site c to either of the other two sites with quickvpn; it usually gives you the "verifying network" and dies. Usually, when a tunnel is running, quickvpn transmissions are blocked. This is why I use my smcbr18vpn router alot because it has 5 builtin vpn clients that work directly with the MS OS vpn client, so when I have tunnels running, I can still connect from the microsoft os. Downside is that the builtin clients only support Ms-Chapv1, so I don't do a lot of high powered stuff over that connection.

    I've never used the WRT54AG, so I couldn't advise you on that one. What type of dlink do you have?

    Doc
     
  19. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    From what I've read about the smcbr18vpn, it looks to be a superior product to Linksys' WRV54G. I'm starting to consider recommending it to my brother-in-law for his clinic. I can always throw an inexpensive wireless access point on the end of an ethernet cable if I really need that ability. If it works better with devices operating via GPRS (tablet PC or PDA), then it's definitely a better choice. What do you mean by
    ? Why would you want the WRV54G if you had a smcbr18vpn and a couple wireless access points? What makes QuickVPN for Linksys so attractive when the default Microsoft client works on the SMC? And by the way, the smc unit is selling for well under $100....
     
  20. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    The SMCBR18VPN was "the" router and no one even knew about it because the Linksys WRV54G/RV042/RV082/WRT54G models were taking all the hype. Hell, Even I started out with a Linksys BEF router. The SMC by "all means" was a better router than than the WRV54G, it just wasn't wireless and didn't have the intel chipset that's running the WRV54G.

    Unfortunately, the chip maker for the smcbr series stopped making the chip, so the router was discontinued earlier this year. But, at the end of April, the replacement for these two routers are supposed to be out.

    I've done "everything" with the smcbr18vpn that I wanted to do with my wrv54g (easy site-to-site connections, single client vpn connections, daisy-chained configurations) and the smc delivers. I just slapped one of my spare wireless routers on it as an access point and go from there. As a result, my network is "never" down. Firmware 1.04 for the smcbr14/smcbr18 routers is the best firmware I've ever used, period.

    Try and find the smcbr18vpn if you can, or look for the smcbr14vpn, because that one is still selling (it's just the four port version of the smcbr18vpn). Using these two routers in conjunction with your wrv will allow you to have "multiple" vpn choices and best yet, you'll still be able to use quickvpn behind the smc.

    Doc
     
  21. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Taz,

    I read on another board that in order to connect with vpn via wifi, a person would have to be connected to apn3, at least, that's how it is on a tmobile network...

    As far as my vodafone connection, I can still get to my vpn server but not to any of my other computers. I checked out that link you sent me, but I'm not getting any closer to the prize.

    Are you able to connect to either your home network or your office with your pda?

    Doc
     
  22. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    Nope, but then I can't find a VPN client for my Treo that lets me enter the correct IPSEC settings :(

    I'm pretty certain Vodafone run NAT on their network so even with a suitable client I doubt it would work :roll:
     
  23. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Damn! In my case, I'm just connecting with pptp, and I'm always able to connect but I still can't open up my terminal services client. I'm not even worried about IPSEC as of yet because I can't map drives at the moment :cheerup:

    Doc
     
  24. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    You might check to see if Vodafone has different connection settings--like Cingular--I can choose a private (NAT) IP address, a public (still dynamic) address, or a third connection supporting compression. I also found Pocket DynDNS! Check out my thread on Pocket PCs and the WRV54G for details.
     
  25. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Sure thing, Herc. I'm finding myself getting enthralled with the pocket pc. I located the faxing service on mine and I can send/receive from my handset; I'm soooooooo loving this....

    Have you fourd an alternate way to make a vpn connection yet? I can say with confidence the pocket pc "will" connect to MS vpn server; getting it to access the resources is something I'm still working on :)

    Doc
     
  26. eric_stewart

    eric_stewart Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Certicom (formerly Movian) IPSec VPN Client for mobile devices:
    http://www.certicom.com/index.php?action=company,press_archive&view=581

    AdmitOne IPSec VPN client (by Funk, acquired by Juniper)
    30-day trial:
    http://www.download.com/AdmitOne-VPN-Client-for-Pocket-PC/3000-2178_4-10134499.html

    I'm sure there are others.

    /Eric
     
  27. HercNav

    HercNav LI Guru Member

    I haven't successfully connected my PDA to my desktop over GPRS yet. I'll give it more attention tonight I guess. My D-Link router is the DI-604, if that means anything to ya....
     

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