WRV54G - barely heavy enough to be a paper weight

Discussion in 'Cisco Small Business Routers and VPN Solutions' started by PatG, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. PatG

    PatG Network Guru Member

    After wasting numerous hours with this router and Linksys tech support it is going in the box and back to the store. The advertised functionality of this router simply does not work: specifically VPN connectivity is intermittent at best, DDNS works on one firmware and not the next, some wireless devices will connect, others will not. I should have known better as I have 2 dead Linksys home routers in a box somewhere. After dealing with Linksys support I know I will never buy anything from this company again; I have better things to do with my time. What amazes me is that Linksys is still selling this product. Sooner or later the Cisco folks will realize what is going on and stop this type of crap from going out the door, I just don't have time to wait.
  2. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    Personally I think the problems at Linksys started after they were taken over by Cisco. Their older products worked out of the box without the need for constant firmware updates :roll:

    As for the WRV54G I had some initial problems but since v2.37.9 of the firmware it's been working fine. The only issue I have with it is Linksys's reluctance to add NAT-T support and so force you into using their QuickVPN client if your behind a NAT enabled router :(
  3. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Linksysys is still selling them because the router does work, provided a little ingenuity and sleepless nights are provided :) Granted, this "staying up late shit" gets old, but I've found my peace (and solution) to making quickvpn work consistently...

    That withstanding, everyone needs to remember one basic thing; the wrv54g, like all the other linksys routers is a "SOHO product. If folks want all that extra shizzell, they need to get an industrial strength router. Personally, ddns, pptp vpn, quickvpn, portforwarding all work for me, and has on each firmware version linksys has put out. The only legacy bug that still hasn't been fixed is the problem with email notification (I got it to work for a little while with 2.38, but once the buffer filled up, it stopped) and NAT-T.

    The NAT-T issue exists because linksys wanted to sell the idea of "quickvpn" to people looking for a low cost and quick/easy vpn setup application. Hey, it's a good marketing stategy, however, Linksys F'd up when they failed to put out guidance on "exact configuration" when trying to connect to a wrv54g using quickvpn on client computers. Yes, the wrv54g does have limitations, but no more than any other home solutiong (other than what was just mentioned above).

    Users just have to be "witty" enough to fill in the gaps at times, but it shouldn't be to the point you're writing firmware Linksys...

  4. jagboy

    jagboy Network Guru Member

    i have to agree that after cisco took over linksys the linksy stuff have een pretty crappy. look @ the wrt's for example the v1-v2 all worked great. you dont see to many people complaining about them .but everything after the wrt54g v2 was just crappy and had a lot of stability problems.
  5. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    By the PatG,

    what were you trying to do? A wrvg54g-to-wrv54g gateway connection or just a quickvpn client connection to a wrv54g?

  6. TazUk

    TazUk Network Guru Member

    I think it's due to incompetence rather than by design :?
  7. cyberpsych1

    cyberpsych1 Network Guru Member

    Ha, Ha, Ha Ha, Ha......
  8. PatG

    PatG Network Guru Member

    I had intentions of doing both. Upon initial installation of the first unit the QuickVPN client appeard to work using firmware 2.37. But I found that some couputers would not complete the connection at the "Verfying Network...." step. I also found that the router would stop responding to VPN requests and would have to be rebooted to start working again.

    Then I tried Linksys support. I allowed the first tech to connect to the router via remote management and he confirmed that the router was set up correctly. He suggested using the Beta 2.38 firmware. After several more calls to support three diffferent techs promised an email with the beta 2.38 firmware but I got nothing. This is what finally lead me to this site as I searched for the beta firmware.

    After I found the beta firmware I installed it and was able to connect with prior non-working QuickVPN client installs, Unfortunately the router would not support a single VNC session through the tunnel. The screen would not get even a single refresh before the session crashed; this VNC session worked flawlessly on the local network. Furthermore, wireless clients were failing to get DHCP leases, some worked, some didn't. I have no qualms about spending more money for a solution that works and have decided to go with another vendor.

    As far as Linksys products being better "before" Cisco I cannot agree. In fact I told my business partner before trying the WRV54G that my past experiences were poor. I have 2 dead routers (BEFSR41 I believe) and have tolerated unstable WAP11 configuration software that also had huge memory leaks. The products just don't seem to provide good value for the money as they take too much time and babysitting to get partial functionality. In the case of the WRV54G it appears to be flat out false advertising.
  9. DocLarge

    DocLarge Super Moderator Staff Member Member


    Unless you purchased a "bum unit," the issues you're speaking of regarding quickvpn setup just might be on the client side. Alot of the problems you're speaking of normally come from certain applications "bumping heads" with quickvpn. I'm not going to sit here and claim to be the ambassador for the wrv54g, but quite a few of us now have this router working "extremely well"; somebody just needs to fix email alert and NAT-T and I'll be ecstatic...

    I use Radmin 2.1 (similar product to VNC) through a vpn tunnel daily and have excellent refresh rates. If I were on an cable modem as opposed to a 2MB down/288kbps up ADSL connection, I'm sure the refresh rates would be even better. Having said all of this, there's a good possibility that configuration might be the bane to your existence. I've just recently completed a wrv4g-to-wrv54g tunnel session with no issues. The firmware on the distant wrv54g is 2.37.13 and the firmware on my wrv54g is 2.37E (I upgraded to the 50 client user license and additional accounts work great).

    The WRV54G (like other routers) is known to have its share of communication errors. One particular error is when it locks up communication for some unknown reason and then suddenly a perfect working quickvpn connection "stops working." Sometimes a reboot does it, other times you have to change both the username and password in order to connect again. I've experienced on a few occasions where after someone has finished a "long" session with my ftp server (550MB file download which lasted 3hrs or longer), quickvpn will not connect unless I reboot. Again, there may be the moment I might need to change the username and password in order to use quickvpn again, but this is rare...

    Don't listen to level one linksys techs; they don't know much at all other than "Is the unit turned on?" Having a technician connect to your router via remote management just means you got a connection to the internet; it doesn't verify whether or not your configuration will "result" in a successful connection...

    So, as this is quickly becoming my catch phrase, you can PM me and I'll send you a quickvpn setup guide to alleviate any potholes that Linksys failed to fill in prior to you buying your WRV54G.

    Let me know if you're interested, because alot of us are getting 98% functionality out of this box now based upon having an actual quickvpn setup guide to refer to...

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