Any Tomato compatible routers for high speed internet (300/65)?

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by cloud200, May 30, 2013.

  1. cloud200

    cloud200 Reformed Router Member

    Hi, I have been using tomato for years now and absolutely love it.

    Right now I have a Linksys WRT320N with the wireless disabled as a router, being used by myself and 5 of my neighbors to share a 50/25 internet connection.

    Right now I have the option to upgrade to a 300/65 fiber connection to my house but I know for a fact that it will be impossible to use it all with the 320N.

    Are there any devices out there that will do this?
    I know the RT-N66U was reviewed here:

    It was tested at well over double what I need, but that was with stock firmware.

    Will I still get the same level of performance as tested once I have 5 households hammering it with p2p, streaming video, gaming, and VOIP? Or go with something else?

    Thank you!

    Tomato = Best router interface EVER!

    Would a Linksys e4200-v1 work?
  2. maple.chick

    maple.chick Networkin' Nut Member

    E4200v1 is limited to wireless N. If you really wish to take advantage of your uber-fast speeds, you should consider AC capable devices. ASUS RT-AC66U or N66U are good choices and obviously supported by tomato.
  3. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    The RT-AC66U is NOT supported by Tomato. Work has been started on it, but is incomplete and there is no ETA.

    Even if supported, it would not saturate a 300mbs connection. The RT-AC66U has the same 600mhz processor as the RT-N66U and should not get any better WAN throughput than the N66U.

    The RT-N66U maxes out at about 150mbs under Tomato. Native Asus firmware achieves better rates using methods incompatible with some Tomato features and the Tomato devs have not seemed too interested in implementing the same methods.

    Unfortunately, I don't think any Tomato solution will realize your full bandwidth,
  4. maple.chick

    maple.chick Networkin' Nut Member

    I assumed AC66U was supported. Sorry about that!
  5. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    :oops: Do you think tomato devs are not interested to get full and maximal bandwidth for RT-N66U WAN-LAN ?? I don't think so ... ;)
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  6. cloud200

    cloud200 Reformed Router Member

    I have the wireless disabled right now, so if the best WAN/LAN speed router was wireless B/G thats fine.

    Thanks for the responses :)
  7. Marcel Tunks

    Marcel Tunks Networkin' Nut Member

    Are there particular features of Tomato that you want/need on your gateway router? There are other solutions, such as RMerlin's firmware that may give you some of the features you need on similar hardware.

    If it's just QoS that you have needed, you may find it unnecessary when you move to the higher bandwidth service. Depending on the users, you may not saturate the link.
  8. shibby20

    shibby20 Network Guru Member

    even on OFW FastNAT is disabled after enabling QoS Service and WAN-LAN speed is then limited to ~100-150Mbps :)
  9. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    Not really, maybe a bad choice of words late at night. Just seems there have been other priorities - which I'm fine with. It's a common question, and the response is generally the answer is an explanation as to why we don't have the speeds on tomato. The need for these speeds has been the exception, but times are changing.

    And also my apologies if anything was perceived as complaint - I am nothing but greatful to the tomato devs.
  10. RMerlin

    RMerlin Network Guru Member

    The biggest obstacle is that the code providing this acceleration is closed-source. It also comes at a steep price: you cannot use anything that involves the FORWARD table in iptables (with a few very specific and undocumented exceptions). That means no QOS, no IPTraffic, and so on. Kinda dumbs down Tomato to a point where it makes little sense to run Tomato at all.

    So, the problem isn't one of priorities by the devs, it's one where they can't do much about it.
  11. jerrm

    jerrm Network Guru Member

    Thanks. Assumed it fell mostly into the "makes little sense category," which I agree with. Didn't realize the closed source aspect making things worse.
  12. Monk E. Boy

    Monk E. Boy Network Guru Member

    cloud200, you may want to look into a PC-based system to use as a router, then depend on Tomato for wireless access point duties. pfSense, Untangle, monowall... there are a lot of free OS/firewall distributions that work with fairly vanilla PCs. You don't even need a particularly powerful PC, though obviously the more power available the faster it'll be with more features turned on. A properly configured $500 microtower (or ITX) is capable of wiping even the best Tomato router off the map in terms of routing packets between interfaces.
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  13. cloud200

    cloud200 Reformed Router Member

    I went with buying a cheap ITX pc with dual nics on it and installing PFsense.

    I will be honest. The interface of Tomato is much MUCH easier to work with.
    At this point though I don't have much of a choice so I am going to take this as an opportunity to try and learn a little more about routers, caches, firewalls, filters etc.

    Thanks for all the advice and the awesome work.
    maurer likes this.
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