E3000 compatible firmwares?

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by Morac, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. Morac

    Morac Network Guru Member

    I've done a few searches so I know Tomato USB is compatible with the Linksys E3000 in dual band mode, but are the other ones also? If so which is the "best"?

    The reason I ask is that, I just ordered a E3000 to replace my WRT54GL so I'd like to set it up with Tomato.
  2. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    Also Victeks Tomato RAF and Toastmans builds. As far as what's best, probably somewhat subjective. I can say, loosely speaking, TomatoUSB adds to Tomato, Victek adds to TomatoUSB, Toastman adds to Victek. So if you want the most features, look at Toastman. That's what I'm running right now on my Asus RT-N16 and working well for me. To compare the features, see this recent thread.
  3. Morac

    Morac Network Guru Member

    Thanks for the info. I'm assuming that I can simply ignore the Cisco Connect software that comes with the E3000 when using TomatoUSB (or others)?

    Also can I just install Tomato from whatever firmware is pre-installed or should I update to the latest Cisco version and then install TomatoUSB ? Basically does TomatoUSB completely replace everything in the firmware (drivers, etc)?

    Finally I just read that apparently the E3000 has an overheating issue (wish I read that before ordering). Will running Toastman's load exacerbate that issue since it's doing more?
  4. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    I ignore Cisco Connect at all times, :smile:. I've never used it so not even sure exactly how it works, just that it's some allegedly pretty slick "automagic" configuration script or something. I'm really only aware that it's there when I get a warning for "manually" configuring a router and not using it, which I always ignore, :smile:. I log into the router web interface and do all my configuration there.

    Yes you can install Tomato directly from the original firmware, just make sure you have one of the versions specifically for the E3000. Essentially it's the same process as described in the official Tomato FAQ. Yes, TomatoUSB, or any 3rd party router firmware build, replaces the firmware and drivers. Well, there is a very basic level firmware, the CFE (Broadcom Common Firmware Environment) or bootloader (like a computers BIOS) that is not touched. But the firmware code you see when logging into the router web GUI or via telnet or SSH, more like the operating system level code, that part is completely replaced.

    As to heat, I don't think Toastman's build in and of itself will impact heat in any way. I suppose it's possible if you turned on some features that increased CPU usage significantly, like what, like a lot of layer 7 rules maybe, that it could contribute to increased heat, but that's a general thing not specific to Toastman's build. I've heard E3000s get hot and even read recently that you can cool them down by slowing the clock down but I really can't say if that's good advice and don't have one myself to try, perhaps other E3000 owners can comment.
  5. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Whenever a new router comes out, and some instability occurs in the firmware, it takes about a week before the cries go up of "overheating" and people start adding fans and worse.

    You can expect the old " underrated power supply" cries to appear soon too.

    I'm sure, like all the other times, that this will all die down soon.

    Lastly, why do you think my build is "doing more?"
  6. Sharp Rock

    Sharp Rock Addicted to LI Member

    LOL. :) I'm running an E3000 here. Like TexasFlood, I toss the Cisco Connect software back in the box, and log in to the web interface directly. I immediately flashed Tomato USB Ext.+VPN E3000 special build (Teddy Bear's). No issues. I haven't played with the VPN yet, but everything else runs great. I LOVE the Ad Blocking 3.9c, with Pixelserv. Excellent stuff!

    Heat? It's pretty warm. Some might say it's hot. I don't. But I did try a trick that someone over on the DD-WRT forum mentioned. I propped the back legs up about 1/2 inch. I do think it cooled it some. I spend zero time worrying about it. :biggrin:

    No regrets here. HTH.

  7. jsmiddleton4

    jsmiddleton4 Network Guru Member

    Remember the design is intended to port heat from the inside to the outside case. If the outside wasn't warm then I'd be concerned.
  8. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    I've read that adding some higher feet, or adding on the existing ones with some tape on feet, can help the air get the bottom. Some folks claim raising the rear feet, like Cisco itself seemingly has done with the latest redesign of the line is the way to go.

    See the following picture new E3200...
    It seems to have raised rear legs or perhaps a raised rear section which the front tapers up to.

    Attached Files:

  9. phuque99

    phuque99 LI Guru Member

    The E3000 has similar slope design, with the rear higher than the front. If you notice, there are ventilation holes right below the "spoiler" wing in the rear. I don't think there's anything to worry about the heat. I've ran WRT310N and E3000, both with super heated gigabit ports in enclosed cabinets without any issues.
  10. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    Yep, they're both sloped. I was thinking the E3200 had a raised rear with more clearance. After finding a better picture of the case this appears not to be true However the whole new router line does however seem to have more vent holes on the sides. Good to hear from your experience not to worry about it though, thanks.
  11. Morac

    Morac Network Guru Member

    I think it depends on what surface you put it on. If you put it on a surface that conducts heat well (like metal), it will probably be okay. If you put it on something that doesn't conduct heat well (like wood), then the heat will just build up on the bottom of the router since it won't dissipate fast enough. Heat rises so it will stay on the bottom of the router unless you have something blowing a cross breeze under the router (or use a laptop cooling pad).

    Some guy found that his E3000 was radiating at 61C which is way out of the router's operating spec.
  12. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Slowing down. A microprocessor "slowing down". Fine. Whatever. :biggrin:

    Best spray it with some WD40, put axle grease on the bottom.

  13. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    Heh. Well, at least no case cutting or heat sinks. Yet... :wink:
  14. Elbart

    Elbart LI Guru Member

  15. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    Wow. That reminds me of a past life. Well, past job actually but seems like a past life by now. Part of the job was taking new computer hardware out of sexy blue plastic cases and moving the guts to ruggedized gray metal cases. Kinda cool but too much trouble for me for home use.
  16. Toastman

    Toastman Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    Well, at least he's trying. Needs a set of steel-belted radials and some better sails.
  17. TexasFlood

    TexasFlood Network Guru Member

    So, what you're saying is, I should put a sail on my E3000 trailer?
    Cool idea, very "green", save some MPG hauling to the LAN party.
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