Paranoid WRT54GL owner

Discussion in 'HyperWRT Firmware' started by MasterAIK, Jun 14, 2007.

  1. MasterAIK

    MasterAIK LI Guru Member

    Well, I recently purchased a WRT54GL of Amazon, and as is customary, it was giving me trouble and constantly disconnecting. It died down, yet I'm still having problems with torrent speeds. So I've decided to upgrade to HyperWRT Thibor15c.

    My router is a WRT54GL v1.1, with a serial number beginning with CL7B and is loaded with the official v4.30.2 firmware. I did my research and found out I needed the following file:, I have downloaded it and extracted it. I now have the file 'Hyperwrt_G_Thibor15c.bin' which is approximately 3.42 MB.

    I used the search function and figured out that I simply need to Update through the Administration>Firmware Upgrade tool.

    Now, although I know that it should be a relatively simple process, I can't help but hesitate. So I just need to comment and ask about certain things that have been pestering me and how they could potentially affect the update.

    Firstly, my computer has a wired connection with the router (I will be using this to perform the update), but the router is also constantly in use wirelessly, with an average of about 1-2 laptops being connected through-out most of the day. So, I was just wondering if these wireless connections could in anyway jeopardise the update?

    Another aspect that has been on my mind was my setup, which is as follows.

    Phone line > Modem > Router > My computer
    ________________________ > Wireless connections

    Will that be sufficient, or do you recommend that I change it?

    My settings are also quite important to me; I read that loading my backed-up configuration file after updating could potentially brick my router. Is this true?

    My final query is regarding the worst case scenario, where I brick. I know I can attempt to use the various methods located on these forums for un-bricking, but I was also wondering if it was viable that I would be able to get a replacement under the router’s warrantee.

    Thank you.
  2. slam5

    slam5 LI Guru Member

    Hmmm... You really should disconnect all machines except the update computer. The router will reset after you update anyhow. why can't you turn off the wireless while you are doing this?
  3. kop48

    kop48 Network Guru Member

    Make sure that the computer you're updating from has a static IP of the 192.168.1.x range (not 1, that's the router's default).

    Then, turn off the wireless, run the update.

    There's a very low chance of bricking, but if you do, get a TFTP client and simply start it connecting. Once you've got it attempting to connect (I think the Linksys one tries 5 times), quickly unplug the router and re-plug it back in. The router has a small window of time in which it waits for a TFTP transfer and one of the retries from your client should get through. :)
  4. ka9yhd

    ka9yhd LI Guru Member

    I had no problems loading Thibor 15c on my GL version 1.1

    All I did was to use the update function in the router and a wired connection.
  5. vincentfox

    vincentfox Network Guru Member

    IMO, poster is starting from WRONG END of problem.

    Forgive me while I step on my soapbox and deliver a familiar rant. Try not to take it personally.

    Torrents are killing the router. Is this fault of particular brand of cheap $50 router? Nope. Any brand of router in this consumer arena is quite tiny in resources and it's very easy to overflow connection table. Yes you can diddle around with the size of the table a bit and DELAY the problem onset in some cases long enough that it hardly seems a problem.

    At work where we have big networks, when we run up against router limits we BUY A BIGGER ROUTER. I do not understand why people in home desktop seem to think switching brands of $50 device or diddling with firmware will turn a Yugo into a Ferrari. You can do many things with 3rd party firmware but probably doesn't enhance performance to such a level that it cannot still be overwhelmed. Capice?

    I think of 3rd-party firmware in terms of giving new features, plus giving more dials to turn so maybe I do get some more performance if I know what to change and why. But the problem is typically that the $2,000 PC with a Gigahertz processor and 2 gigs of RAM sucking through a straw can yes by golly overload a little device with a 200 MHz processor and probably at most 16 megs of RAM.

    I *always* start by looking at WHAT particular P2P app is used? Some are worse than others. BitComet for example very badly behaved. Then after identifying the app you can recommend reasonable settings (leash the Doberman) for that P2P software that let it get it's job done but without trashing the network for everyone else. Strictly limit it to say 50-70% of both up and down speeds, well I do that mainly because I have other people using same connection for web surfing and want to make sure it stays responsive. But most particularly limit the max number of simultaneous connections. This is KEY!!!!

    Do you gain anything by letting 500 people attempt simultaneous connections to you? Probably not. If you have small residential DSL only a few could connect anyway and get ANY kind of useful speed, the rest are just clogging up your connection and wasting everyone's time. Setting to a smaller number lets those smaller number of peers be better server and efficiency goes up. Maybe because your upload is not clogged with 100 people getting 1K each, you outbound requests are better serviced and your download speed improves. Think about it.

    You think small router has connection table size of X on whim of programmer? No they set to size X because it's a little box with several tasks to do and a small amount of RAM. You can increase the size of the table, then maybe you are taking too much memory soon and some other process on the router starts to run out of memory. Not wise.

    Yes you can diddle around with other things like firmware if you want, but what will make most immediate and real difference is fixing things on your desktop PC. I run Azureus as my P2P app and with good settings config appropriate for my DSL connection, I do not have to diddle any timeout values or other junk on my router. My WRT has been up for 12 days. It didn't crash 12 days ago I moved it. Before that it was up for 2 months.
  6. MasterAIK

    MasterAIK LI Guru Member

    I don't really think I'm starting at the wrong end of the problem. I have already configured my torrent software. Prior to fiddling with it I would get download speeds of around 20kb/s and my upload speeds would be in the decimal kb/s, after reading around on various tracker guides and forums, I now have it peaking at 100kb/s for downloading, and around 20kb/s for my uploading.

    Now the reason I'm going to update is because I've heard claims that speeds can improve further, but I'm also doing this as the router is preventing me from being continuously connectable to a tracker, which is denting my ratio (a point system is in place where if you remain connected and there are no leechers, than your ratio will eventually go to 1.0).

    I do agree with you though. Why swat flies when you can get rid of the ****.

    In regards to my paranoia, I'll be resetting the router to factory default, that should disable the wireless and I'll also be disconnecting my modem whilst updating. One final question, roughly how long does it take to update?

    EDIT: Success! I've updated. So for it all appears pretty good. I'm able to browse the net whilst having utorrent open, and I'm also appearing connected on that tracker that was annoying my previously. Thanks for the help everyone.
  7. frenchy2k1

    frenchy2k1 LI Guru Member

    Ratio is very simply the ratio of your upload against your download. It gives priority to the people that have a history of sending more data to a group than getting from it. This is good policy for everyone. It gives priority to the people that upload (so they get their share faster) and in return it allows people to leech from those longer (as they let you do it for at least as much data as they took).
    Bittorrent is a very greedy protocol (as much connection and as much bandwidth as it can get), but very efficient for transfers. You are right, you can get MUCH better than 100kB/s on a good swarm. I've been up to 350kB/s and capped by my connection at that point.

    I hope you'll like your new firmware. Good configs can make a world of difference and 3rd party firmware certainly help the contrack problem. If you need more bandwidth for surfing, reduce your upload a bit or start playing with your QoS settings, mostly putting the bittorrent port to the minimum priority and ACK to the highest.
  8. AmyGrrl

    AmyGrrl Network Guru Member

    I'm glad the firmware update worked for you.. I had an old WRT54G v1.1 that acted up with torrents... after a few hours the internet went dead... even if I stopped the program, I couldn't even access the router and I would have to power cycle... then I upgraded to HyperWRT/Thibor13 at the time.. all my problems went out the window... I have since upgraded it to 15c and gave it to my brother, I couldn't stand his crappy Belkin router everytime I went over to his place... and I bought myself a brand new Linksys WRT54GL v1.1 about 6 months ago... its running HyperWRT/Thibor15c... I never have to power cycle anymore.. the only time my router gets a reset is when the power goes out... I hope you continue to enjoy your router as much as I do... and we have Thibor to thank for the joy he has given all of us... since we no longer have to fight with our network/internet anymore...
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