Please stop the creaping feature-itis

Discussion in 'DD-WRT Firmware' started by robmack, Nov 15, 2005.

  1. robmack

    robmack Network Guru Member

    It seems that with every new release of v23 beta 2, there is some new feature or a newly supported platform. Most recently, in the 14.11 release, there is a new feature to change the WAN port into a LAN port.

    Now, new features are wonderful things and they should be integrated into the product if they benefit the user community. The proper time to introduce new features into a software product is early in the development cycle. Introducing these major changes in the beta 2 phase of the development is wrong. The WAN/LAN feature should have been saved for v24 alpha or beta 1. When a software product moves into a beta 2 phase, most hard-core users are testing for proper functionality on features introduced in beta 1. I think most users would embrace a solidly working, bug-free backup/restore system or client-bridge mode feature.

    Brainslayer,you and the team are doing a great job but please stop the scope creap. Address the current set of bugs and move the product into a release candidate or final state. Then the new, cool features or new platform can be saved for the next release (if there will be one).

    - Rob.
  2. in8skillz

    in8skillz Network Guru Member

    Sadly, I agree to a degree. I love everything you guys have and are doing with v23, but I'm dying for a solid bug free version.

    Though, I do understand it probably wasn't at all difficult to implement the new WAN/LAN coding, or to add in some more VOIP support.

    Really, I am happy to have DD-WRT period...I will continue to try waiting patiently till you guys get v23 where you want it before you call it Final.

    Until, then...I will hope each release, despite what's added or change, get's more and more stable. :bounce:

    Thanks again Brainslayer. I'm incredibly impressed. :thumb:
  3. LiOn

    LiOn Network Guru Member

    I agree... Stop adding new features and clear bugs that are in present Beta2. We all need stable V23 before anything else!
    BrainSlayer You Are GOD!
  4. Aq_lynch

    Aq_lynch Network Guru Member

    Confused firmware Junkie

    I must agree with the above posters. I almost strated to get the svesoft firmware until I found it that it would cost $20 for the same features of dd-wrt but it is tempting. someonw told me that you can have virtual SIDS with svesoft and that you can get 300 to 900 percent gain on your signal strengh. I am so confused what do I do stick it out with dd-wrt or switch to svesoft.
  5. Avenger20

    Avenger20 Network Guru Member

    Stick with dd-wrt. It's more stable, free and support is better.
  6. Thrasher

    Thrasher Network Guru Member

    Without wanting to sound ungrateful.....I have to agree with the general statement in this thread.
    I was VERY surprised to see a pre alpha of the next version of the firmware before the current one is bug free.
  7. BrainSlayer

    BrainSlayer Network Guru Member

    the pre alpha version is only based on a coding experiment of a weekend and is almost based on the v23 codebase. look into the changelog you see that almost everything is related to the bugtracker and these 10 lines of code for the wan to lan assignment are not really a argument. many people are asked for it. my orientation of features are almost user requests. i'm not doing any new features and in. but the increased hardware compatiblity is important and not a big problem so far i have the testunits for it. i'm not doing any big new features into v23. this version is almost finished and i dont see any major bugs in it currently. v24 development will start when v23 is finished and any feature request of v23 is moved to v24 in the bugtracker. so help me with finding the last bugs and it is final in less than 2 weeks
  8. mozetti

    mozetti Network Guru Member

    Yay! :cheering: This is my first foray into 3rd-party firmwares for my WRT54G v1.1, and based on the reviews/comparisons I'd like to use DD-WRT. But, since this is the first time I'll flash my router with non-linksys firmware, I want to use a "final" version, and not a beta.

    Cheers, and looking forward to the release.
  9. Thrasher

    Thrasher Network Guru Member

    Thanks for that BrainSlayer......are you able to do anything about the uPnP problem ?
  10. Lazybones

    Lazybones Network Guru Member

    For the future I would like to see the same. I don't see any problem adding support for other hardware.

    There has been some significant feature additions during beta that seem to have broken other things along the way.

    So maybe in the future there should be no feature additions once you are in beta 2 mode till finial.

    Starting a new version branch for others to play with doesn't bother me, but new features when there are basic things still bronken does. UPNP was broken for so long in 23 that I only tried it twice and went back to 22.

    I know everyone elses needs are different but there are only a few things I am looking for in a firmware.

    - Stable
    - Static DHCP
    - L7 QoS
    - UPNP
    - good wireless speeds.

    The funny thing is that v22 is more than enough if there wasn't that wirless speed bug, which is supposed to be fixed in 23.
  11. Couledouce

    Couledouce Network Guru Member

    This is all starting to sound very familiar, it was another forum, another 3rd party firmware, ...
  12. Lazybones

    Lazybones Network Guru Member

    But we don't have to pay $20 / year and get locked out of the forums for our opinions.

    Really BrainSlayer can do what ever he wants.. I am only trying to provide feedback..
  13. techmanblues

    techmanblues Network Guru Member

    Why would one want to make the WAN port into a LAN port? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a router?
  14. StoneRoses

    StoneRoses Network Guru Member

    We don't have to pay but I will definitely make some donation when 23 final release. I just use DD-WRT for about 2 weeks.
  15. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    If you're using the Router in Client mode or as an Access Point.
  16. techmanblues

    techmanblues Network Guru Member

    In that case, why can't one use one of the pre-existing LAN ports as the "incoming" port? Why put in another few lines of code to make something out of something that is already there?
  17. 4Access

    4Access Network Guru Member

    Because some people want to connect 5 devices to the router. Why let a port go to waste?
  18. whatsthedeal

    whatsthedeal Network Guru Member


    having my routers in wds, it's nice to have the extra port available. I currently have 4 devices plugged in to the normal ports and used to have to unplug something if i wanted to use a wired connection.
  19. techmanblues

    techmanblues Network Guru Member

    So when the WRT54G under DD-WRT has its WAN port acting as a LAN port and the router being used as an AP, the router can also be used as a 4-port switch as the same time as an AP?
  20. bigjohns

    bigjohns Network Guru Member

    if the router is acting as a wireless bridge, enabling this feature allows all 5 ports on the back to be wired lan ports.

    If the unit is being used as an AP, it needs to have WAN or it can't connect to any networks.
  21. 4char

    4char Network Guru Member

    You can use the WAN port as a 5th LAN port. Why do you have to connect to WAN? I can just use that WAN port as LAN port and connect to an exist wired network to create wireless part of the network. So at this point the router will acting as an AP and switch. and DHCP on this router will be off (there's DHCP exists in the wired network already), everything will be in the same subnet.

    So, which part does not make sense? :)

    As matter of factor, I'm using this configuration right now. One router and Router as AP. Just that I wasted one port on the AP.
  22. Killermac

    Killermac Network Guru Member

    Hey what about the people like myself who have the router hooked up to a different subnet that want to have DHCP insted of using static IP's.

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