RV082 no sense Load Balance

Discussion in 'Cisco Small Business Routers and VPN Solutions' started by edika, Jul 12, 2007.

  1. edika

    edika LI Guru Member

    I've recently bought an RV082 router to have Load Balance feature beetween two wan on my lan.
    After setting up the router with my two broadband internet connection and enabled the Load balance feature I've discovered soon that the load balance works not per connection round robin but on the same connection causing every https sites and vpn connection to not work (the ip address of the client change every time and https works on source ip address to check the client).
    I think this is the results of a very poor programming because without an option for binding source and destination ip address in load balance to maintain the connecction on the same wan make the load balance totally unuseful.
    This option could be very easy to add to the configuration of the router, and every Load Balance hardware or software on the market have it.
    Using the Protocol Binding to bind specific service is always unuseful because if I visit only https sites or use the Internet only for VPN connection, all traffic is redirected on a specific WAN and Load Balance doesn't exists.
    Before buy the router I've not check if this option was present because Linksys for me was a guarantee, and this feature is a fundamental of the Load balance, but from now on I have to review my position on this name.
    Finally the results is that I've installed a virtual machine on a server with a Linux guest OS, setup a FREE Load balance program (PLB) and after an hour I had my Load balance solution working great.
    Now my RV082 is on Ebay.

  2. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    A server will always do much more that any RV0xx unit. strange you had to try to compare the server to a RV082.
  3. edika

    edika LI Guru Member

    I wouldn't compare a Server to the RV082, simply want to make notice of this rough error in the programming of this unit. The Load Balance of this unit is unusable except for simple http.
    About what is better between and Hardware solution instead of a Software one for the Load balancing depends by the product and we could talk for hours.
    A high line hardware appliance is sure better then any software solution. The RV082 it's for sure a soho solution, but the missing feature of the binding source and destination IP address give no sense to the Load Balance. I think it's a big fail from Linksys. More if a freeware software on an open source OS can do better. That's my poor opinion, not more.


  4. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    well your free open source solution tbh is not free. you need hardware to install it on:)

    linksys will never keep all its customers happy. I hope since you have rasied your concerns about poor load balancing on this forum, that you have also have added comments on the description of your ebay sale of the RV082
  5. edika

    edika LI Guru Member

    ehehehe...the hardware I already had it, it's a virtual machine that I've installed.
    Anyway I don't mention the Load Balance in my auction :tongue:

    Someone need an RV082 here??? I had a brand new one :biggrin:


  6. d__l

    d__l Network Guru Member

    You must have something wrong with your broadband connections because my RV082 has no problem balancing the load when I'm connecting to https sites. I've never, ever had any issues connecting to and using https sites.

    If there was a widespread problem with this, then there would be numerous posts here complaining about it. There aren't.
  7. Toxic

    Toxic Administrator Staff Member

    there had been in the past a few issues with the RV units and https (online banking), which were fixed using protocol binding afaik
  8. d__l

    d__l Network Guru Member

    I think those were only on RV042 routers. I don't remember any problems with RV082 units.
  9. edika

    edika LI Guru Member

    Hi d__l, my broadband connections works well, the prove is that if I disable the Load Balance feature https sites and vpn works well. Moreover on Linksys forum there other people with same problem. The linksys support know about this problem and suggest me the solution of protocol binding, that anyway doesn't works very well.

  10. d__l

    d__l Network Guru Member

    edika, what type of broadband are you using? Is it possible that you have WAN IPs that are on the same Class C subnet?
  11. sterner

    sterner LI Guru Member

    I have an RV016 and have been forced to use protocol binding so HTTPS sites would work. We have several WAN connections and most of our traffic is HTTPS, so we had many disconnects. Now this was with one of the original firmware versions and I have not taken the binding off since then, so I don't know if it has been fixed or not...Just my 2 cents, but I would like load balancing to work the way Edika has described it.
  12. vpnuser

    vpnuser LI Guru Member

    Could you guys name 1 or 2 dual-wan vpn routers that can do load balancing without binding https to one WAN? I'm interested to find how much they cost. In addition, I'd be interested to learn what kind of environment has more https traffic than http.
  13. edika

    edika LI Guru Member

    No d__l totally different address, one is a cable internet access and the other is a telecom access.
    Yesterday I've discovered another funny thing. The primary wan was down and the router does not wake up the secondary backup wan.
  14. d__l

    d__l Network Guru Member

    edika, maybe your router only needs a hard reset and a re-entry of all your settings if you haven't tried that already or perhaps your particular unit is defective and Linksys should be called for an RMA.
  15. edika

    edika LI Guru Member

    this product http://www.xincom.com/products/502/specs.php on market at 160$. The Load Balancing features allow you to specify by bytes, packets, sessions, or IP Address withou the needs of a https bindings

    or a little more expensive but not much more then RV082 this http://www.netgear.com/Products/VPNandSSL/WiredVPNFirewallRouters/FVX538.aspx

    I work in a financial/banking environment and the main part of the sites used in our work are https. Anyway also if my environment is a special case, the subject of this thread is about the Load Balance that doesn't works likes would do. The missing feature makes it totally unuseful.

  16. sterner

    sterner LI Guru Member

    Is there anyway to get Linksys to look into this issue? Since there are routers out there that have this feature, why can't these routers do the same??

    I work in an insurance environment, so almost all of our traffic is over HTTPS. We have 4 WANS, so a 2 WAN router just won't cut it.

  17. d__l

    d__l Network Guru Member

  18. whiny

    whiny Network Guru Member

    I don't mean to be rude to anyone, but search the forum, this has been discussed many many times before in the past (geeks like us don't want to even entertain the possibility that we don't know something).

    The load balancing on the RV082 is not perfectly user friendly, but it works. There are "issues" that are really caused by people who don't fully understand how these protocols (HTTPS) are designed.

    If you have a problem with certain sites or features, chances the router IS working the way it should, its YOU that needs to read the forum, do your homework, and if all else fails, hire a consultant who is familiar with load balancing and protocol issues.

    With a little time and effort, you'll find that just about any issue you've got can be resolved, and from a purely technical standpoint, this product works the way it should.
  19. Quijy

    Quijy LI Guru Member

    I have a RV16 and had to bind HTTPS to a WAN, not what I want but binding works fine for me on any of the three WANs I have.
  20. BigHusky

    BigHusky LI Guru Member

    I have to agree with the original poster. We ended up having to enter nearly every protocol used in the protocol binding, thus we are now really using the rv082 to direct certain traffic/ports over one connection and the other over the second one.
    The really bad thing about that setup is, that if one of the connection fails all the protocol bindings on that interface will now completely fail and not go over to the line that is still up.

    It's also been interesting that for a while there was an active beta/release firmware development and now it's been dead for a looong time and all the efforts seem to be going to the other models.
    We are now testing other solutions to get rid of the rv082. We are getting an evaluation unit from http://www.elfiq.com/, from the specs they look very promising.

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