Tomato 4 N Routers?

Discussion in 'Tomato Firmware' started by aeonwings, Apr 10, 2009.

  1. aeonwings

    aeonwings LI Guru Member

    Maybe I missed it or something, but how come I don't see any tomato, or any other for that matter, firmware for wireless N routers here? Is it because they don't have the "limitation" that the G does?

    I asked because I love tomato!! I haven't had much problem with it, and it works like an expensive router!! So Thanks Tomato!

    Anyway, I'm thinking of upgrading to a wireless N router(WRT160N) and would love to use tomato on it, too.
  2. bripab007

    bripab007 Network Guru Member

    Yeah, if you search this forum, you'll see the many, many users who've asked for this in recent months.

    Part of the reason is that there's only one guy who's programmed Tomato, and I imagine he's got a day-job :)
  3. aeonwings

    aeonwings LI Guru Member

    I would think he'd be one of the first, if not the first, ones to switch to the newer N routers. Again, I just thought if he's using it, maybe we can get in on the action, but it's all good.
  4. ng12345

    ng12345 LI Guru Member

    some posts on the internet say dd-wrt works with 802.11n; but i couldn't find any information on their site to that effect
  5. phuque99

    phuque99 LI Guru Member

    doesn't look like anything on the road map, no replies what so ever. maybe if you really like tomato, get a tomato compatible router as your gateway and use the N router as AP.
  6. kardzzz

    kardzzz Addicted to LI Member

    Maybe Jon doesn't have a N router to test. If we could contact him then we could all contribute and donate some hardware for development?
  7. davegod75

    davegod75 LI Guru Member

    Has anyone contacted him? I would love to see wireless N support.
  8. davegod75

    davegod75 LI Guru Member

    What is the best combo for this setup? Is a wireless bridge the same thing as an AP?
  9. phuque99

    phuque99 LI Guru Member

    already tried contacting him, even offered router and was met with deafening silence.

    regarding ap, it is not a bridge, just wire your wrt54gl for example to your n router of your choice. turn off dhcp and wan in the n router. thus the n router merely acts as a lan extension with wireless n signal.

    i guess do this if tomato is really important to you like qos superiority over dd-wrt. otherwise, it is on par with dd-wrt. doing this tomato + n ap is at the expense of electricity, carbon footprint and complexity. dd-wrt will work just fine and the qos works just a well as long as you don't plan to be too ambitious.
  10. ng12345

    ng12345 LI Guru Member

    per some other posts i remember reading on here; i thought the reason 802.11n wasn't supported had to do with the n drivers and how they weren't open source/legally accessible; maybe that is still the case?
  11. phuque99

    phuque99 LI Guru Member

    possibly that tomato was developed from the entirely open source code of wrt54gl and that's the only code base that was released by linksys. however, i wonder how does dd-wrt get by and does this imply they are using non-open source code or just binary drivers ?
  12. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    dd-wrt uses a fork of the OpenWRT Linux kernel, and they also support many other manufacturers apart from Linksys with other chipsets. They also have commercial offerings for which they clearly have access to the proprietary driver sources (someone must pay for a licence!). Only binary only drivers can be released in the GPL licensed products - but these cannot be used directly by Tomato due to Linux kernel mismatches.
  13. teddy_bear

    teddy_bear Network Guru Member

    That's not exactly true... I do not know if original WL driver used by Tomato (version 4.130.x.x) supports n-mode, but the one I'm using currently in my USB mod (and now it's in Victek's mod also) - - definitely does. It was actually pulled from Linksys wrt600n (or wrt610n - I don't remember anymore) which is the N-router.

    The driver used by OpenWRT with 2.4 kernel - - also has N-mode support, and I had a few builds of my mod with that version as well before updating to a newer one.

    Of course, merely using the WL driver that supports N-mode doesn't turn on the N-mode support in the firmware. Additional coding is needed. I'm sure somebody with sufficient networking knowledge and N-router on hands should be able to do it - there're no technical limitations related to the kernel version used in Tomato. As an example, Oleg's Asus firmware is also built on kernel 2.4.20, and supports N-mode on wl-500w.

    Hopefully Jon will eventually address this issue as N-routers get more popular.
  14. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    WRT160N v.1.0 use Linux 2.4.20 with wl driver and a well known CPU BCM470x .. but unfortunately Linksys stopped production for a more cheapest solution with Ralink WiSoc for the actual WRT160N version in the shop. There is a trend in Linksys to dismiss the dependencies for Broadcom application notes in the low end router range due to cost and integration with other brands inside Cisco.

    Ralink, Atheros and Conexant are eating part of the cake for consumer in the latest two year with their WiSoc solution offering a big saving for equipment design.

    NewMedia-NET GmbH (DD-WRT) is a company with commercial vision and work to extend their dd-wrt to a wide range of products, Tomato is the work & hobby of one individual (almost of us have been working in Tomato as a hobby) .. so, here is the key difference. :) , we can't integrate new model when the manufacturer change the hardware quick, first they appeal sexy with a good platform for development and suddenly they change to a cheaper platform.. typical Linksys....
  15. mstombs

    mstombs Network Guru Member

    Can you use dd-wrt Broadcom drivers for Linux 2.4.35 with Tomato?
  16. Victek

    Victek Network Guru Member

    wl was used with 2.4.35 Linux. In fact is the same driver dd-wrt is using now.
  17. cityismine

    cityismine LI Guru Member

    I have WRT300N V1.1 32mb ram / 8mb rom. I'd love to see tomato support this device.
  18. gweilo8888

    gweilo8888 Guest

    I've got the WRT600N myself, and would love to see support for that in Tomato...
  19. mistical

    mistical Guest

    I have myself been wanting WRT600N support for a while now. While I am growing to like DD-WRT, it just is not even close to being the same as Tomato. I do miss it.

    I would even donate/support the development for this device as reading this this topic, it looks like it could be possibly to add the drivers necessary for it?

    Anyways, would love to see it support for it and Jon change his mind. :\
  20. GreenThumb

    GreenThumb Addicted to LI Member

    DD-WRT has drawn the fury of some people for possible violations of the GPL. You can Google and read all about it.

    As for Tomato, the hold-up is probably the fact that these N drivers are not GPL compatible, so that means no N in Tomato until A) the drivers become GPL'ed or B) some open-source hacker creates his own.
  21. dvaskelis

    dvaskelis Network Guru Member

    GPL Code Center

    Note that Linksys has plenty of N-routers GPL code up, including the dual-radio WRT6x0N routers.
  22. WrePLe

    WrePLe Addicted to LI Member

    I also would love to see the Tomato firmware moved to the Cisco RVS4000 and the
    WRT54GX4 because Tomato to me is the best firmware. please is their is anyone around
    who can make it happen, maybe if we all can come up with a way to reward the the person who takes his or her time out to develop the Tomato firmware we will get more results. like if we start a Post for a bounty This is where someone (or groups) can get together to raise money for a new Tomato firmware that support new version of routers. people can make a pledge of what ever $ they want to add and once the firmware is finish the people who made the pledge have to send the $ to the developer then he will release the firmware for the routers. I am saying this because I know it is costing him/her
    time and effort and maybe a lot more to put the Tomato firmware foe all of us to enjoy.
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