WRT54GL, HyperWRT and WDS

Discussion in 'HyperWRT Firmware' started by Twill, Dec 13, 2005.

  1. Twill

    Twill Network Guru Member


    I bought a WRT54GL router yesterday. There was a probability that it won't cover the whole area needed and this we realized is true. Therefore I need to broaden the range. It's not possible to connect the two routers with cable nor any other obscure solution. I want the two to have WDS conection.

    1) May I upgrade the firmware to HyperWRT?
    2) What should I buy (I'd prefer another WRT54GL unit) to have WDS?
    3) WEP is ok for me. Given the 1) and 2) be ok, should I follow the official guide of installing and configuriing HyperWRT or do I need any special configuration solution?

    Thanks for your help in advance.
  2. pharma

    pharma Network Guru Member

  3. danielhaden

    danielhaden Network Guru Member

    You can use any combination of WRT54G/GL/GS except that you cannot use G Version 5.

    You can use Tofu or Thibor's version of HyperWRT on your GL.

    More information, directions, and end-user experiences can be found on the forums of hyperwrt.org

    You can use any combination of Tofu11 or Thibor201105 firmware for WDS because they are interoperable. However, only Thibor's firmware will make speedbooster enhanced WDS links. It only works with WRT54G V2 through V4, WRT54GL and WRT54GS. Should you acquire a V1.x WRT54G then you must use Tofu's firmware (works with everything but the V5).

    Pharma has reported that Tofu11 is very fast on the Internet.

    As you can see, you can easily mix and match hardware and firmware. They will all work together.

    WPA+AES is highly recommended for your WDS system. That's because the development of WDS on this platform was done mainly on WPA+AES security.

    WDS cuts your network throughput in half unless you are using speedbooster with the power turned up to 126 (max for the GL)--yet this is completely unnecessary for Internet distribution. Network throughput is necessary only for moving large files about.
    A regular WDS link will work just as fast for Internet distribution and it does not require as much power--42 to 84 will do just fine.
  4. scotkb

    scotkb Network Guru Member

    While I agree that you should use WPA+AES for the WDS link, I have been unable to get it to work. I have reset the routers to defaults, followed many "how to" posts, but can only get it to work using WEP when I have AP+WDS (both AP and WDS) turned on with WRT54GSv1.0 and WRT54GSv4.0 so there must be an order to the sequence of setting up the routers. I have done it several ways and the result is the same, as soon as I change to WPA, the WDS link stops. I have used many of the nvram settings to try and force something but no change. I am currently running v4.70.6 - HyperWRT 2.1b1 - Thibor, Nov. 20, 2005 on both. I also have trouble with the time not getting set on the remote (non internet connected WRT54GSv4.0). I am hoping that the next version of Thibor will fix whatever is broken (or not getting set right for some reason). The firmware work is very much appreciated!! :thumb:
  5. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    the version of 201105 is not broken so i can't fix it. i am using WDS with WPA-AES(psk) currently and have been all along without issue. i also use WET and STA modes concurrently to ensure that everything remains functional when i release. i'd revisit your settings if i were you and reboot the 2 routers after you set them up.
  6. Twill

    Twill Network Guru Member

    Thank you all.

    This is all about 1 Mbit internet sharing, not large files....therefore I dont mind halving the througput at all, given the WEP is turned on.. It is still approx. 25 mbit ..which is more than enough.
    I must use WEP wheter I like it or not, we have several 2-3 years old IBM laptops with built-in WIFI card, that is only WEP capable.
    I am not going to spend a few 100 euros on new PCMCIA cards. It would by meaningless. Considering the "threat level" around, WEP is more than anough.
  7. scotkb

    scotkb Network Guru Member

    Thibor, I see from your signature that you have a working WDS with WPA-AES like I want. I have cleaned, rebooted, reset, erased nvram, rebooted, erased nvram, everything i can think of and am unable to get the WDS link to work with AES. Wireless works on both ends fine, just not the WDS link when configured this way. I am sure that there must be something to the sequence of entering the settings. I start with the basic settings on the main router (WRT54GS v1.0) and set it up to work. I reboot it when done and make sure all is OK. I then do the settings on the second router (WRT54GS v4.0). I reboot and make sure I can connect to it, both wired and wireless. I am unable to get between the 2 routers when I have WPA-AES setup (I can connect to each but not get to the other). I have no problems when configured with WEP or no security. I have never tried to restore configs, always enter them again by hand.

    I have the second router set up as router rather than gateway (I have the channel, SSID, etc all set the same), no DHCP, no firewall. I have tried it with and without MAC filter.

    I know that this should work but must be overlooking a step or doing something out of order. The WDS link works fine using WEP or no encryption. I'm starting to wonder if it is an issue with the v4.0 router.. seems folks are having more than normal share of issues with them.

    Thanks again for the awesome firmware and sharing with the community. Best regards, Merry Christmas, enjoy the holidays!

    And I just went through it all again, erase nvram, reboot, restore factory defaults, reboot, set everything up and still no WDS with AES or AES+TKIP. I'm dropping back down to WEP for now. thanks for any ideas...
  8. scotkb

    scotkb Network Guru Member

    I have it working since last night now (WDS with WPA personal). I think the bump for my configuration was, 1) G mode only and 2) adding the "wl wds the:eek:ther:router:address" to the startup script. It worked without the startup script entry but would loose the WDS connection when either or both of the routers were rebooted. After adding the startup script, it is stable after reboots (at least so far). We have a fair number of power hits so power fails and reboots are common. I have to give up connection by my 'B' clients and not have WPA2 (always make sure to use long, non-dictionary passwords to reduce security risks).

    I played a MP3 file over the WDS link and then to a wireless client while downloading a large file. The music played fine and download progressed fine.

    Thibor has done a great job on this firmware! (and those that helped).
    HyperWRT Thibor 201105, WRT54GSv1.0 and WRT54GSv4.0

    Best regards
  9. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    you don't need to add "wl wds blah blah" to your startup script, the bug i introduced into my latest release disabled lazywds(bridge restrict always on) at every boot. i have rectified this silly careless mistake and will release a new version soon(i'm working on it currently)
  10. Goknicks

    Goknicks Network Guru Member

    I previously used Hyperwrt Thybor for WDS for both my routes, it didn't work.
    Using dd-wrt, it works great....

    I just configured my 2 routers (wrt54gs v2.1 - host and wrt54g v4 as birdge/repeater). You have to use dd-wrt v23. I use dd-wrt v23 beta 2 mini for the wrt54g v4 and dd-wrt v23 standard for my wrt54gs v3. It works great.

    To configure you can follow the setup configuration at:

    Since I just got it working, I haven't tried using WPA, yet. However, using WEP it works great....

    Read dd-wrt installation guide (the wiki) at http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.php?title=Main_Page

    To download www.dd-wrt.com

    Good luck
  11. scotkb

    scotkb Network Guru Member

    Thibor, I removed the wl wds blah blah blah blah from my startup script when I loaded Thibor11. (I don't know why I needed it on the previous release, just know that it kept the WDS link working across reboots).

    No worries, it is working fine now.

  12. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    great news, glad it's working for you mate
  13. zaphod

    zaphod Network Guru Member

    hi thibor,

    also flashed my both wrt54gs with your new firmware (thibor11).

    no problems any more with the wds-link. its stable with wpa-psk.

    no startup-script needed... all runs fine now :)

    BIG BIG THNX for the great firmware.


  14. manaman

    manaman Network Guru Member

    sorry to change the topic, I have a wrt54gl and a wrt54gc, and im trying to WDS to the wrt54gc, I can see PC2 through the wrt54gc but PC2 doesnt have a internet connection. Is there anything that im missing out.

    My current firmware: HyperWRT 2.1b1 +tofu11
    Should I switch to Thibor11, if so where do I get it.

    dsl modem - wrt54gl( - PC1(
    wrt54gc( - PC2(192.168.100)

    I am able to ping both PC1 and PC2 but PC2 cant connect to the net.
    the wrt54gl is in WDS mode and all wireless settings match exactly on both routers.
    This is my startup script on the wrt54gl:
    a. wl lazywds 0
    b. wl wds 00:13:10:d0:f8:22

    I know the wrt54gc is a piece of crap, but i really need it to work, If i missed out anything please request.
    Thank you.
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