WRT54GS and Thibor 16

Discussion in 'HyperWRT Firmware' started by zehninguem, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. zehninguem

    zehninguem Network Guru Member

    Hello Thibor

    First of all happy new year.
    I', just curious if Thibor 16 will be available for WRT54GS and G models.

    Thanks a lot
  2. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    no, now stop asking
  3. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Give the guy a break. He's already said that he'll begin work on it when he feels that the SL version of Thibor16 is complete.

    For the time being, 15c is rock solid. Honestly, there isn't much more that can be done with the G/GS/GL line that hasn't already been put into Thibor15c. I expect it will be simply a few bug fixes, possibly a few tweaks here and there, and maybe 1 or 2 small new features. Regardless of what it'll be, I trust that it will be a quality release, just as Thibor's firmwares have been in the past. This is why I will wait for as long as it takes to make it perfect.

    Thibor: If you're reading this, I'd be happy to test the new release for the G line when you need testers.

  4. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    you got it, but it won't be until i'm done with the SL.
  5. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    I installed Tomato the other day just out of pure curiosity, and I've come to find that it's a very nice firmware. I'm still unsure of whether or not I'm going to stick with it, or go back to Thibor.

    Regardless of this, just letting you know I'd still be happy to test.
  6. kop48

    kop48 Network Guru Member

    I found that Tomato couldn't handle P2P connections very well. With Thibor15c, having uTorrent running doesn't really affect my normal browsing that much. With Tomato, browsing slowed down and I had trouble accessing the web UI.
  7. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    I have noticed that my torrent/P2P experience is slightly worse than it was with Thibor15c.. I think I'll give it a couple more days to make sure, but since changing to Tomato, my torrents actually download slower. I need to play with it to see if there's simply a setting I'm missing somewhere.
  8. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    it's good to see that the G/GS/GL's are getting some much needed attention, and that the quality of it is good. i haven't actually tried it myself, as 15c does everything i need from wds nodes, but i understand it's a very good firmware. Ghalad, you may just need to set QoS up correctly, i've heard that it's quite effective in Tomato.
  9. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Yeah, I did set up QoS, and I'm pretty sure I did it correctly, but I'm not 100% sure, as it's a little more in-depth as it is in Thibor15c. I set up a rule that gives the MAC address of my torrenting box highest priority, as well as port 3724 as highest priority for my brother's box so he doesn't lag in World Of Warcraft. I also set the max bandwidth in basic QoS settings for both incoming and outgoing to 999999 (the max setting) because I don't want to limit overall bandwidth. Then it has these pull-down menu boxes with percentages and Highest to lowest, and Class A to Class E. I'm not sure what that's all about, which is why I want to experiment with it a bit more.

    Anyhow, I realize that this is the HyperWRT forum, so I won't discuss anything more regarding Tomato in this thread :p

    **EDIT: Ok, I just realized by reading another thread that it's very bad to set your QoS bandwidth to 999999. My down/up is 10mb/1mb respectively, so i set it to that :p***
  10. frenchy2k1

    frenchy2k1 LI Guru Member

    If you set your torrenting box to highest priority, you WILL get a slow down on the other boxes while browsing.

    Usually, setting the torrent to LOWEST priority would be what you want (background DL, who cares if it comes in a few minutes later?) if you want to keep smooth internet connection for the rest.

    If you do that, you would probaly see very little difference with the torrents (torrent files downloading needs mostly bandwidth, it does not care for lag or response time), but a much better experience for the browsing.
  11. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member

    Ok, I get you now.. Thanks for the tip. I'll try that.
  12. BanditRider

    BanditRider Network Guru Member

    QOS only affects upstream traffic. It does this by prioritizing upstream packets.
    i.e. giving DNS queries and http requests priotity over bittorrent upstream traffic (seeding).
    If you're downloading torrents and your downstream "pipe" is full, there's nothing the router can do but drop packets that it's already received and that's just stupid. There are settings in most bittorrent clients to limit the up and downstream bandwidth usage. I set mine to 90% of my measured bandwidth and have no problems browsing the web while Azureus is running.
    I have the router's QOS disabled.
  13. frenchy2k1

    frenchy2k1 LI Guru Member

    the upstream is usually where the limitations come in.
    Most people have ADSL o Cable, that are strongly asymetric, with a trickle of upload and lots of downloads.

    The limiting factor comes in when you cannot send more request or aknowledge because the upstream is entirely taken by the P2P uploads. The change that, you can either limit the upload at the client or enable QoS to give priorities to the packets you want (other requests and ACK). Both work.
  14. GhaladReam

    GhaladReam Network Guru Member


    So I've been tweaking my QoS settings in Tomato for the past couple of days. I think I've got everything perfect now, because WWW browsing is lightning fast, my brother's WoW doesn't lag, and my torrents are constantly 100k+/sec. which is awesome.

    I will most likely switch back to Thibor16 when it comes out for the G/GS/GL, as well as test it as I promised Thibor I would. If it works as well as 15c did and Tomato does, I'll keep it. We shall see.

    One question though Thibor, if you read this... Are you sticking with the GSv3 codebase or are you gonna swicth to the GL codebase like Tomato uses? And does it even matter, or would it make a difference? Most firmware out there seems to support all three units (G/GS/GL), which tells me that they really aren't all that different codebase-wise.

  15. Thibor

    Thibor Super Moderator Staff Member Member

    they arent all that different. i'll use whichever codebase is the newest when i begin.
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